Interview with Dr. Bob Sears

Hey there, welcome to the Go Diaper Free podcast. I'm Andrea Olson, your host, author, and mom of five babies, all EC from birth, all out of diapers by walking.

Back when I had my first kid, about 11 years ago, this woman Govinda, I was friends with her in California, I am still friends with her, she was on her second baby, and I loved her children. They were really fun to be around. I loved her parenting style. I asked her for a book recommendation, because I was a new mom. She led me to the Sears Parenting Library, including the Attachment Parenting Book, The Sleep Book, The Vaccine Book, The Baby Book, the big thick encyclopedia one that I kept on my bed stand the entire babyhood of my first child, The Healthiest Kid in the Neighborhood, and more.

These books really informed my work on EC and specifically The Vaccine Book. You guys helped me so much over the years to decide with my first child, I'll just be upfront and transparent, I decided to not vaccinate him until he was five. His father decided he wanted him to be vaccinated. Then, I decided to do delayed vaccinations and found a pediatrician who supported that here in North Carolina with the rest. Then, I watched the movie, 1986 The Act, in October 2020, and in person with the director. I got to ask him some questions. Now, I've decided to not vaccinate any of them from here on out. My journey is very different from yours.

I'm not doing this show today to convince any of you any which way. My concern is not whether you decide to vaccinate your babies or not. It's not whether you do EC with your baby or potty your baby or not, or you choose to do potty training. However, I am concerned that you have the right information so that you can make an informed decision free from coercion from, God forbid, massive multi-billion dollar corporations like the pharmaceutical industry, and free from coercion from the government. Because I believe that we should be free to make the decisions for our children and for ourselves when it comes to health, and really everything.

Both industries, the potty training industry, the diaper industry, and the pharmaceutical industry have paper trails and money trails that should raise your eyebrows. As a parent, we research everything. We want to make sure we're making good decisions, but right now, there's a lot of misinformation out there. They're making massive money off of changing our parenting decisions for real. With COVID and now the potential for the FDA to approve this experimental injection for six months to five year old children, my heart is frankly worried. This is why I ... This is a second show I've done on this in a matter of a few weeks. I think it's important for all of you to have a full picture.

You're going to get a lot of information from the media and social media. This interview will probably give you a lot of information that you're not seeing. Beyond what's not actually included on the label of these injections and beyond what the media and government tell us to believe. If we have a full picture, we can make an informed decision that we feel good about. Just like with Potty Training, the science isn't very scientific these days, and the marketing messages are very, very strong. Then, I saw our guest for today's show on the Stand for Health Freedom newsletter that I'm a part of a few days ago. I texted my friend, Maureen McDonald, who's the co-founder of mamm.org, Millions Against Medical Mandates.

She was on my show a few weeks ago, episode 180.5, please check it out if you haven't heard it already. She told me to reach out to the gentleman who I'm sitting with today. This podcast is about EC, Elimination Communication, potting babies from birth, which I would love if our guest ends up telling his patients about this. It's a wonderful thing to be informed about. But today, again, we have the topic of vaccines and this upcoming injection possibility to discuss, because lately I have just been wanting to get more and more people from different walks to help you guys raise your babies in a way that feels good to you. That will be different from the way I raise mine. Without further ado, I would like to introduce you to Dr. Bob Sears. Welcome to the show.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Thanks, Andrea. I'm very excited to be here.

Andrea Olson:
Awesome. I'm so excited. I actually never get nervous for interviews at all, but I'm so nervous because I followed you and your family. Literally, you guys helped me rear my first child and all five of mine. Thank you for that. Now, I'm going to share your biography that you sent me. You guys, usually, I don't really do a lot of intro for these things. We just dive right in, but this is a cancel culture environment, so we need to know some street cred upfront, and Dr. Bob Sears has a lot. He's a father of three, author of The Vaccine Book, which has been newly revised in 2019. I think it came out in 2011. When my first child was born, it had just come out.

Okay, and seven other books, and he's co-founder of Immunity Education Group, a non-profit dedicated to providing balanced and complete information about vaccines, infectious diseases, and public health issues. The key there is balanced and complete information, which is exactly what I found in The Vaccine Book. I could weigh what are the pros, what are the cons, what decision do I want to make as a mother? He's also co-host of the Vaccine Conversation podcast, which I dipped into today. Oh, my gosh. It's so awesome. The creator of a brand new video series, TheVaccineConversation.com, which I also found really ... I'm just so grateful for this work.

Continuing with his bio, Dr. Bob, as he likes to be called by his little patients, earned his medical degree at Georgetown University School of Medicine in 1995 and did his pediatric internship and residency at Children's Hospital in LA. He continues to practice in Dana Point, California, which I'm assuming is where you are right now.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yup. Yeah.

Andrea Olson:
Awesome. Where he provides a combination of alternative and traditional medical care. He has a passion for healthy, natural living and incorporates his knowledge into his style of disease treatment and prevention by limiting antibiotic use, committing to breastfeeding success for his little patients, using science-based natural treatment approaches whenever possible, and focusing on good nutrition and immune system health. I think everybody listening and watching my show, we are all on the same page that those are things that we want for our babies as well. We're all very, very much natural parents.

By having one of the very few pediatric offices in Orange County, California that accepts families who don't follow the CDC schedule of vaccinations, Dr. Bob has had the unique opportunity to observe how these naturally minded families grow and thrive in today's world. It's like a science lab. You get to see all these things that a lot of people don't get to see. With this new threat of mandatory vaccination laws, Dr. Bob's new mission is to ensure that all families worldwide receive complete objective and undoctored informed consent before they choose vaccination. That people everywhere retain the freedom to make healthcare decisions for themselves and their children.

Wow. That mission right there, I love your new mission. That's my first question for you, Dr. Bob. Why did you, even in the beginning, back a couple decades ago, why did you choose vaccines to be the focus of your work or one of the focuses of your work?

Dr. Bob Sears:
Well, I don't think I chose vaccines, Andrea. I think they chose me, honestly. A friend of mine in medical school asked me to just look into it for him, because he was curious. I read Barbara Loe Fisher's book, A Shot in the Dark, and it's all about the old DPT vaccine and all the brain injury it was causing. She was right because they took that vaccine off the market because it was causing brain injury, and that opened my eyes. Basically, once I realized something could go wrong with a vaccine, and we were still using that vaccine at that time when I was researching this, it opened my mind to the idea that pharma doesn't always tell you the truth and government regulators don't always do the right thing.

The medical community sometimes is very slow to make a change when they realize something might be hurting patients. That one vaccine is what opened my mind to this. I don't think there's any other vaccine that is probably as dangerous as that vaccine was, a long time ago, but it opened my mind to the fact that every vaccine has risks. Some vaccines have a pretty small risk. Some might have a little bit of bigger risk, but there is risk. Once I knew that, I couldn't go back. In fact my family begged me to take a step back and not go down that rabbit hole because once you start publicly talking anything negative about vaccines, even objective balanced information, you get labeled and they try to cancel you.

My family is worried about that, but I did it anyway and probably the best decision I ever made. It just opened my eyes to the world of trying to make the smart decisions for your kids as you try to raise them as naturally as you can.

Andrea Olson:
Absolutely. I'm so glad that you did because it literally informed me, that book, literally informed my decision about what I was going to do with my new baby. As a new mom, I was very susceptible, and even back when there weren't Facebook groups and there wasn't Instagram yet, I was very susceptible to the influence of the messaging that was at large. I definitely was resistant to the potty training messages and just kept them in diapers and had them go to the bathroom in their pants kind of thing. My mind was already open to, "Hey, maybe everything everybody's telling us to do isn't quite what we should be doing." I also had two free births completely by myself and I have had all five natural births. I've breastfed on demand from birth, co-slept.

I've done all of it. Over time, I've found some more balance with it. But I think if your book had come across as anti-vax to me, I wouldn't have probably read it at that time because I needed a balanced approach to, "Can I make this decision? What is the truth? I want to know numbers. I want to know about scientific studies. I want to know." Because we don't have to be medical doctors to be able to look at something and go, "Okay, is this right for my child or not?" Especially as moms. I'm wondering, why is it so wrong to speak about vaccines? Because at that time I was naive and I had no idea. I just chose to not vaccinate. Then, I got lumped into this group that all my friends were part of anyway. I didn't know that there was any other way.

I was in California. Nobody really ... Well, we were part of the Berkeley subculture, so it didn't really matter that we wanted to talk about we don't vaccinate, but yeah, why is it so wrong? What's your opinion on that?

Dr. Bob Sears:
Well, there's this idea about vaccines that goes way back a hundred years, that if there are some really terrible diseases, then it would make sense if we could try to prevent those diseases and even eliminate them from our population. We did, we achieved that with smallpox, a really bad disease, killing a lot of people. That vaccine was also pretty darn dangerous in and of itself too, but it did succeed, probably in ridding our country, our world of smallpox. Polio came along and there's a lot of debate as to whether or not the polio vaccine really did help us eliminate the disease or if it was just better sanitation, healthier living, better living conditions, clean water. But you could go on and on about every disease, but that was the original intent.

We have a terrible disease that's harming people. Can we get rid of it? That's not a bad idea. I applaud those efforts. Tetanus, you get terrible deep, dirty wounds, especially during the world wars. We came out with a tetanus vaccine that saved all those wounded people from dying of tetanus. There's been a lot of good there, but somehow, in the '70s and '80s, and then moving forward to now, it's changed from, what should we be trying to eliminate from our world and what should we be preventing in children? What vaccines should we be giving is changed to, what vaccines can we be giving? What can we develop? We have the technology to try to make a vaccine against every disease there is.

If we can achieve that and find some degree of safety in that product, then it's good for people. That's what the mindset is nowadays. If you question vaccines that are for what really should be optional vaccination, like chickenpox or Hepatitis B, Hepatitis A, polio that's been eliminated, if you question vaccines that should be optional because they're no longer saving us from a disease, because the disease is gone, or we didn't need to be saved from that disease, like chickenpox, you question that, people vilify you. Because I think the industry has really tried to group every single vaccine all in one pot to say, they're all equally as important.

They're all critical. You will die if you don't get all these vaccines, and so don't even question one because if you're questioning one, you question the whole system. Pharma has done a good job.

Andrea Olson:
They've done a great job.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah.

Andrea Olson:
It makes me think about the potty training and the diaper companies. In the '60s, they couldn't sell a diaper. No mom wanted to put it on their baby. I've talked to one of the executives of Pampers, he's retired now. He lives here in Asheville, and he invented the newborn baby diaper with a cutout. He said, "Yeah, nobody wanted them, so we hired a pediatrician, T. Berry Brazelton, to do a study, to convince moms that they need to wait for readiness and that they should delay potty training so that we could have them in our products longer, because they didn't want to wash cloth diapers." He revealed this to me and I was like, "Oh, okay. Well, they took it way too far." He agreed.

It's gotten crazy because they're like, "Oh, we can develop a product for this and develop a product for this." It became a money-making thing. But if you look back at it, they started with this guilting moms into it. I see the same thing with the pharmaceutical industry. I don't know if it's intentional or not, but if you potty train early, you're going to psychologically damage your child. That is what parents think. Pediatricians are told not to start. We don't start potty training until two. We don't start until some of them say three. My pediatrician, luckily, said, "Oh, no, you should start when they're walking." Which was great, but I started at birth because I learned about this other thing.

But I think it's important to know that in order to make money, you can either convince people, pull them in with the carrot or pull them in by hitting them with a stick. You're going to be a bad parent. You're a bad community member if you marginalize the safety of this community, of the world by not getting your kids vaccinated. I think that guilt, even today, even in a pediatrician's office where I'm ... Well, I got kicked out of it a couple years ago. Actually, I'm in a new pediatrician's office because I wouldn't wear a mask and I wouldn't put my kids in a mask, so we got kicked out of our pediatrician.

But the new one, they are fine with delayed schedules. They're fine with choosing not to. They're fine with exemptions, but there's still this level of guilt. You don't do it, you're endangering people, which is super powerful.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah.

Andrea Olson:
I'm not sure how I feel about that because I'm also a big advocate of the immune system needing to be built up by being exposed to disease. I guess we could segue into that unless you have more comments about it.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Well, no. I just want to say, everyone does think that it is your duty to vaccinate. Even if you don't want them for your child, you have to do it for everyone else's good. The reality is, most vaccines don't stop you from catching the disease and being contagious to others. It just minimizes your symptoms, and it's very similar to the flu vaccine. It might be even similar to the COVID vaccine. You can still get infected with almost every disease we vaccinate against and spread it to others. You yourself might not be harmed by the disease. You might not be hospitalized. You might not even know you caught the disease because you just don't have enough symptoms.

Very few vaccines have any public health benefit by reducing the spread of its disease. Very, very few vaccines. The oral polio vaccine might have helped prevent the spread, but then it itself spreads because it's a live vaccine, so it's a trade off. The measles vaccine probably prevents you from being infectious and spreading it to others, chickenpox vaccine maybe. But that's a very small few compared to the 16, well, now 17. I'm so used to saying 16 diseases we vaccinate. I keep forgetting there's a new one, 17 diseases you vaccinate against, very few of them actually are public health benefits.

There is not much argument that it is your duty, but do most people know that? No, they don't. Then, that's what I'm all about, is trying to make people understand everything they need to know as they make this decision.

Andrea Olson:
Yeah. If somebody gets mad at me for not vaccinating against A, B, or C, but really it's in most cases not actually going to be helping to save them. That's just another sound bite, like, wait till readiness for potty training or do this or do that, that it's just something meant to express a message to the larger community to get vaccinated.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah.

Andrea Olson:
Well, and we're going to get to the number of shots on the vaccine schedule because Maureen and I went over that as well and which ones are ... But first of all, isn't there something to, as a doctor, isn't there something to a child getting infected with something and it building their immune system?

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah, yeah. There probably is. They've shown some pretty good research on people who catch measles as a child are going to be less likely to have certain types of cancers later in life, possibly less allergies, less autoimmune disease. I think they found that to be true somewhat with catching chickenpox. They have not looked at every disease, but there is some benefit. But it's not like, you don't want to catch meningitis-

Andrea Olson:
No.

Dr. Bob Sears:
... just so you can get some immune benefit later on. It's a different conversation for each disease, but no, you're right. We're so afraid of disease and we feel like kids should never get sick. But in realities, if you catch a few flus as a child, if you catch a number of colds, if you catch chickenpox, if you ... we can't really catch measles anymore, but if you could, going through these things, assuming you survive each of those cases, you then probably have a healthier immune system for the whole rest of your life, and are going to go through fewer disease complications or medical conditions later.

I think the trade off though is, if we're going to let all these diseases run through our society, society has to accept some fatalities in a very small number of people in order for everyone else to catch these diseases and possibly benefit from them. I think our medical community decided to not let that happen anymore and just eliminate all of this. Even if vaccines are causing some harm, they want to save lives. They don't want people to suffer the fatalities from this, and that's an interesting policy decision.

Andrea Olson:
It is.

Dr. Bob Sears:
I'd love to be in the room as they made these policy decisions years ago, and it'd be nice to be able to go back and influence some of those decisions.

Andrea Olson:
Absolutely, because it seems like there was a fork in the road. They could have gone either way, herd immunity, or they could have gone the other way.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Right. Right.

Andrea Olson:
Yeah, and the same thing with, I think, with potty training. With my friend from the diaper company, and I'm just trying to make this a little more relevant too, just how we think things through, the way that we're looking at doing EC with our babies, which is very counterculture. We're looking at, should we vaccinate or not, which is very counterculture right now. These diapers were developed to be better for baby's skin than cloth diapers and to allow moms to work outside of the home and to allow them to have less of a laundry load. Listening to him, he sincerely thought they were helping mothers, and it sounds like the medical community sincerely-

Dr. Bob Sears:
Oh, yeah.

Andrea Olson:
... most of them really, just want to help protect more people on a massive scale. Then, there are other ways that it could have probably happened with both of these industries, so we can look at that. Then, since we're in the middle of it, you guys just, since we're a little bit into the interview now, check out the book, The Vaccine Book, because there is a very balanced view on each one. You've got all of them except for the newest, and you've got the pros and the cons of each. Correct?

Dr. Bob Sears:
Right. Right. The 2019 edition The Vaccine Book, I'm much happier with. I love it. It really reflects my newer understanding of the vaccine decision. It was actually 15 years ago, in 2007 that the first version came out.

Andrea Olson:
Oh, okay. Because I was like, "How did I get that?" Because it was 2010 and I know I had it when he was born.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yup, 2011 was the second version.

Andrea Olson:
Okay, got it.

Dr. Bob Sears:
I've learned so much since then, being able to raise so many families here in Southern California as a pediatrician and watching them grow and thrive, that the new book I think is a much more accurate reflection of what I understand today compared to when I started this journey 15 years ago.

Andrea Olson:
Yeah, and I've also revised my Potty Training book or the EC Book, both of them. But I revised it based on what my work with hundreds of thousands of parents worldwide with EC has revealed. We have learned so much over the last 10 years as well. It's good that that's fresh information and you've talked about observing your patients who go on ... You have some patients who go on the full schedule versus some who choose natural health and delay or not vaccinate at all. What would you say your biggest takeaways are from having been able to observe that over this time?

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah. I would say, I think the vast majority of patients now in my office, probably 99% of them, don't vaccinate during infancy or toddlerhood at all, and 23 years ago when I started, I would say most of my patients were vaccinating. But no one ever did the full CDC schedule here. I never had any patients that wanted every vaccine, but I had a lot of partial vaccinators in the first 10 years of my practice. Now, I don't even have patients that want to do that, and it's all their decision. They come to my office already pretty much having made up their mind. When I look at all the patients I used to raise here years ago that were partially vaccinating compared to the ones that aren't now, the differences, which I'm sure are completely coincidental and have nothing to do with their choices, is that I almost never see an ear infection anymore.

I almost never see a sinus infection or pneumonia. I almost never see eczema, not a lot of allergies or asthma. I don't see a lot of developmental delays. I guess everything that used to be basically bread and butter for a pediatrician, a pediatrician just has 20 sick kids in their office every day dishing out the antibiotics for ear infections, that, except for the antibiotic part, that used to be my day in the office, just tons of sick kids. I remember the waiting room just crowded with kids coughing all over each other. You imagine that now? You would be freaking out.

Andrea Olson:
People would be freaking out.

Dr. Bob Sears:
That used to be my patients when I did partial vaccination, and now I'm almost shocked when I see an ear infection.

Andrea Olson:
Oh my God.

Dr. Bob Sears:
I'll go like six months without seeing a kid with an ear infection. I still have the same number of patients. I just don't see all the acute childhood diseases that I used to see. My theory is that I do think vaccines work and I think they give you a level of artificial immunity that will probably give you some protection from that illness or complications of illness. I think vaccines do what they claim to do, mostly, but that immunity is very artificial. There's nothing natural about it at all. Ask me about that later, if you want to know about the artificial nature of these. But what I think the trade off for getting that artificial immunity is that the natural parts of your immune system, I think, probably decline, probably become less healthy.

Then, your immune system can't work naturally against everything that comes your way. Yeah, you might have vaccine induced immunity from meningitis, and whooping cough, and measles, and chickenpox and whatever else, but you're then, because you can't fight off all the normal things of childhood, you're going to get ear infections. You're going to get allergies. I love being a pediatrician. That is like, I'm sitting around twiddling my thumbs at the end of the day because no one's coming sick. My day ends early, because that's when we see all the sick kids, it is at the end of the day. My day ends early every day. I'm like, I'm thrilled and it's wonderful.

Andrea Olson:
That's amazing. That'd be like a therapist who doesn't have any more clients because you sent them all off to the world.

Dr. Bob Sears:
It is.

Andrea Olson:
That was so cool. I was trained as a therapist before I had kids, and your goal was to get your clients to eventually leave. Yeah, that's wonderful.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah, I know. I do all these checkups, all these well child visits, but no one's ever sick, but again it's got to be totally coincidental.

Andrea Olson:
Yeah, of course.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Probably because of climate change or something, people aren't getting sick. I don't know why, but I've seen all these natural families in my practice. It's been a great joy.

Andrea Olson:
That is hilarious. This is why I'm not putting it on YouTube. I'm telling you. But I think everybody listening is probably just getting a kick out of this because you can't make a claim anymore at all. But you have seen this huge decline and I'm sitting here with my jaw dropped open because I have five children ages three to 11, and I homeschool now and I do all the ... Like, I'm with them a lot. Every time they're sick, I'm also divorced, so I'm the sole provider and I am very intimately connected to, "Because we did EC, so the ins and the outs, and the breastfeeding and all that stuff." I know my kids so intimately.

To tell you the truth, we have not had a single ear infection since the two years that I stopped vaccinating my children. I didn't realize it till sitting here talking to you, but we had them, every month or two, somebody had one. I had them delayed. I wouldn't do any until about 13 or 15 months, I wouldn't do any injections at all because I read your book and breastfeeding builds up their immune system. I think I found that in your book. I'm not sure.

Dr. Bob Sears:
I think breastfeeding does something good.

Andrea Olson:
It does a lot. It passes our immunity on to them.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah, it does.

Andrea Olson:
Yeah. It does something, it grows a child. That's just minimal. It just gives them exactly what they need at the moment of their life. It's magical. Yeah, I can see that parallel with my children as well. Hey, maybe it's a coincidence as well, but I haven't had to bring them ... we haven't even gone to the doctor's office over the last couple of years. They keep calling me. They're like, "You need to come in, you need to come in." I'm like, "Well, actually we don't. We're good. We found a really good, healthy place now."

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah. Good.

Andrea Olson:
Yeah. I'm wondering, if 99% of your people are not doing this during babyhood and toddlerhood, are they just vaccinating when their kids become school age in order to get into schools?

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's not that they want to vaccinate, it's that now in California-

Andrea Olson:
No exemption, right?

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah. About half of the vaccines are required for school. I see these kids when they're four or five. They will then slowly go through the required vaccines and they're handling it pretty well. I'm not seeing anything go wrong with these kids. I've seen a few bad reactions, but that's the minority, for sure. I'm pleased that no one's had a severe vaccine injury, but I'd say the majority are now just homeschooling. They're not giving in to the government's agenda there and they're homeschooling or they're moving.

Andrea Olson:
They're moving to Asheville. A lot of them are.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah. Yeah.

Andrea Olson:
Because we have exemptions here. We got a lot of Californians.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Don't you love the Californians coming to join you?

Andrea Olson:
They are driving up our property values. I love that part.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah. You're welcome. Yeah. Or sorry, I don't know which one.

Andrea Olson:
I know. Literally, yesterday I met somebody who transplanted here from California. Yeah. I chose to take my kids out of school because I don't believe that masks are healthy and I believe it's every parent's choice whether to do that with their child or not, and their child's choice whether to do it. But my personal choice was not to, and some people listening may or may not agree with me, but we can still be friends. I did not send my kids. I had one in kindergarten, I tried to homeschool and failed, and then I sent her to kindergarten and then she came home with an iPad in kindergarten during COVID. I was like, "Okay, well this is not going to work." I had all this homeschool curriculum, so I was like, "Well, I'm just going to figure out how to do this better."

I did, and now, I'm a homeschooler for life. I'm not going to stop. I believe there's so many things that have helped me just solidify that decision that I didn't understand why people homeschooled before, and now I really do. But most importantly, it's because I have full control over the decisions that affect their lives because I'm homeschooling. I think that that's a really good reason to do it, in my opinion.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah.

Andrea Olson:
Yeah. Well, let's talk about how many shots used to be on a vaccine schedule and how many there are now, because you mentioned this already and I just want to tell people the numbers just so they can hear or something about that.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah. Back in the '80s, there were about 24 total vaccines. A lot of those were three and ones though. I think there were seven injections and three or four oral doses. It came out to basically about a total of 24 vaccine doses. Basically, it was just polio, DPT, and MMR. Now, that has increased to ... Let's see. Adding the COVID vaccine and depending on how you count, it's about 71, 72 vaccine doses. It's about 53 injections total throughout all of childhood. It's like night and day. There's really no comparing the two different schedules. You hear people always say, 50, 60, 70-year old people, "I did my duty. I got my vaccines. Why don't you just get your darn shots, too? It's no big deal."

Well, today it is a big deal. It's so different from what it used to be. You can't expect people to just automatically accept such a large vaccine schedule today, simply because all the middle aged and older people are trying to tell them to do the same thing they did.

Andrea Olson:
It's not the same. Yeah. It's not the same at all.

Dr. Bob Sears:
A different ballgame. Yeah.

Andrea Olson:
Is every dose necessary? Obviously, you've got most of your practice doing no doses until five if they're not homeschooling, what's your opinion on that?

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah, not every vaccine is necessary. Like we said earlier, there are some diseases that don't really require a vaccine because the diseases aren't dangerous. You also don't need as many doses on a vaccine series if you wait till later. A lot of vaccines, you can get one less dose if you wait till you're an older child versus starting the process during infancy, because each vaccine does work better if your immune system is more mature. I spend a lot of time customizing vaccine schedules for people based on their age, what the school requirements are. Because these parents basically want to minimize what they're giving their child.

They don't want to give anything, that they're forced to choose between moving and quitting their job and homeschooling or keeping their kid in school. All of those decisions, and there's no right or wrong decision there. It's really just what can you do as a family? What do you want to do? Unfortunately, parents are coerced to accept their risks against their wishes. That's what I don't like about California and the several other states that mandate these for vaccines now. You guys have that freedom in North Carolina, where you get to choose for now.

Andrea Olson:
For now.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah, that could switch.

Andrea Olson:
Yeah. I'm the leader of a freedom group here too. We talk a lot about health freedom in our group and we have doctors come, and Maureen comes and talks a lot and really just to educate ourselves about what the legislation is and what's going on. Then, should something like that come up, we're just ... There are a lot of angry moms out here, let me tell you. They really are standing up in Virginia, South Carolina, North Carolina, these Southern women, man. You can't tell us what to do.

My next question would be, do you ever have anybody who wants to, maybe they've done vaccines at a different pediatrician wherever, they come to your office and they want to detox their child after having gotten some and maybe regretting it?

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah. I do have patients that want to do that. I'll admit, I'm not trained in detox medicine. I don't really know very well how to achieve that, but there are practitioners around me that do do that. Yeah, I will send people to natural practitioners to do some natural detoxing to try to clean some of those chemicals out.

Andrea Olson:
The reason I ask that is because my oldest actually was diagnosed with Asperger's a couple of years ago. Either from getting it through my body, from whatever I was vaccinated against, excuse me, or the five year-old vaccines that he got, or maybe, I don't know, a combination of things, but he showed symptoms of that starting at eight months old. I've often heard that some parents find that a detoxification protocol for their child with autism or Asperger's has helped them improve their symptoms. I know that you're also associated with an autism group. I can't remember, what was it called again?

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah, it's TACA, it's The Autism Community in Action.

Andrea Olson:
Yeah. Do you find correlations between vaccines and autism?

Dr. Bob Sears:
I haven't seen it personally in my office. I haven't really studied that. I have had patients regress developmentally as toddlers and we are giving vaccines during those times as well. I've never had a patient crash and burn in front of my eyes within a couple days of vaccinating. That hasn't happened right in front of me. I have, however, spoken with many hundreds, probably 400 or 500 families over all these years, probably more than that, who have relayed that kind of story to me though, where they've told me, a very healthy child, everything was going really well. They were walking, talking, laughing, playing, very social as a one-year old. Then, boom, they just got the regular round of vaccines at one or 15 months, 18 months.

Then, two days later, their kid is gone. Like, that child is gone and that all the signs of autism quickly came out. I haven't scientifically analyzed that in my office to really know if vaccines are connected. I think, of course, the mainstream scientific community says, with all the research, that they have not been able to show any correlation between vaccines and autism. They've not been able to demonstrate that. What's interesting though is that's what the scientific community says. Then, the wording is very critical. They say, we have not been able to demonstrate the correlation between vaccines and autism. What the media do is they take that statement and they change it to saying, we have proven vaccines don't cause autism.

Andrea Olson:
But they haven't.

Dr. Bob Sears:
They're totally different statements, so that the scientific community has never claimed that they've proven vaccines don't cause autism. But some of the medical spokespeople have said that, some people in academic medicine have made that claim that we've proven it doesn't, and the media certainly have made that claim, but scientifically they haven't done that.

Andrea Olson:
That's interesting. There's such a huge correlation between that and the diapering and telling everybody to wait until their child says they're ready to go to the bathroom. If you look at the science, it doesn't say that, but then you look at the media messaging, and it does say that.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah. Yeah, it's very interesting. I think parents need to understand the research and read it. The Vaccine Book has a whole chapter on that research. At the end of the chapter, I say, we still don't know. They haven't proven it one way or they haven't disproven it. Meanwhile, I keep talking to parent after parent, many, many hundreds of parents that have shown, told me that's exactly what happened. I see their medical records and in their medical records they were a healthy child. Then, all of a sudden, somewhere around two or three, the pediatrician wrote in their chart, "Yeah. Now, the child has autism." But are they going to really be able to prove it? That's really hard to do.

Andrea Olson:
It's anecdotal and there are lots of ... but there are thousands upon thousands upon thousands of stories. If you guys listening want to check some about 1986, The Act has a lot of those stories in it. In fact, some things that I can't unsee and I wish I had closed my eyes at certain parts of that movie, but there are a lot of examples there, if you're curious. Now, let's go onto what is in a vaccine that could potentially damage our kids. You spoke to the artificial nature of them. What's there?

Dr. Bob Sears:
Well, yeah, I find it interesting. So many people in our society and your community, for sure, are very natural with their whole lifestyle. They'll avoid GMOs. They'll avoid chemicals. They'll avoid artificial colors and preservatives. Vaccines are nothing but those ingredients. There are no natural germs in vaccines, and pretty much every germ in a vaccine is genetically modified. I would almost argue, of course there's ... some of the flu shots have mercury. A lot of the vaccines have aluminum. There's so many chemicals you can't even pronounce in a lot of vaccines. People, I almost would say, you're probably even better off swallowing or eating a lot of those chemicals because our body naturally flushes it all out.

It all comes out the other end for the most part. But when you inject something your stomach isn't neutralizing it. Your intestines aren't passing it through. It goes straight into your body and stays there. That's, I think, where the big difference is. A lot of people say, "Well, vaccines have such a tiny amount of chemicals." That is true, but a tiny amount of something that goes into your body can be at toxic levels, whereas if you're swallowing those chemicals and they go right through you, they a lot of times can be very harmless. Aluminum is the perfect example. You get a lot of aluminum in your diet, in your food, but almost all of it comes right out the other end. You eliminate it very easily.

Andrea Olson:
That is my department. Yes.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah, a tiny bit of aluminum, what's going into your body and staying is way more than what's coming in you, what's staying in you from when you swallow it.

Andrea Olson:
Which is so counterintuitive because it looks like it's tiny. Then, if you eat something it's bigger, but you're able to process what comes in orally. What comes in an injection stays and in that effect it's more powerful.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Right. Right. Exactly. That's one thing I like to educate people about, is understanding that drawback of vaccines and understanding the risk that that poses for you as you make this decision.

Andrea Olson:
Yeah. Does that match up with your values or not? If you're straight up eating organic, you're making your child's ... maybe you're chewing up your child's food and giving it to them. I've done that. There's so many of us who are so strict about so many things. Then, when it comes to this, some of that just gets veiled almost. These truths can help you guys listening. Okay, does this match my values or not? Then, here's the question, "Oh, what if it doesn't match my values? What if I feel like my child is going to die if she hasn't had any vaccines? Are fully vaccinated kids actually healthier? Am I going to have FOMO? Am I missing out on something here? What's going on with that?" These extreme thoughts that I'm sure we have at the back of our minds, will she die if she hasn't been vaccinated? Would she be healthier if she were fully vaccinated?

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah, I was really worried about disease when I first started practicing 24 years ago. Because I just came out of training in the hospital where you're seeing people die of disease. But in my 24 years of being a pediatrician now, I have not seen one single child severely harmed by any of these diseases. No one's died of these diseases, vaccinated or not, but no one's been severely harmed either. I have a few kids going to the hospital for IV antibiotics or oxygen or something, they needed some hospital style treatment for an infection that got away from them, but they were never harmed. They were never in danger. They weren't in the intensive care unit, or it was never like a life threatening situation, and that's just a handful of kids. Everyone else in my practice, every case of disease that I've seen that is vaccine targeted, they've all done just fine. No one's been harmed. It doesn't mean someone can't be harmed someday. God forbid, will I have a patient die of a disease or be severely harmed or maimed by an infection because they didn't vaccinate, could that happen? Yeah, it could. It hasn't happened in 24 years and I pray it never does. Now that I have had the chance to raise so many unvaccinated families in the last 10 years, getting to see what their health is like, I'm so pleased to see none of them harmed by disease.

But also, that they're not catching all the little things, that they are catching colds, they're catching chickenpox, they're catching things that are supposed to exercise their immune system. They're just not having complications like ear infections and pneumonia that you then have to give them more advanced treatment for. The healthy immune system, you still get sick. You just don't get severely sick. The body handles it. That's what I see in my office, and it's been a joy.

Andrea Olson:
Oh, and if you've ever had a child with an ear infection, it's terrible. It's the worst thing. I think that's probably worse than if I had a kid with the flu. We definitely had everything. We've even all had COVID, and guess what? They had a fever for 24 hours each and every other day. I was a lot worse than them during that time, but I had my hands on the medicine that actually works for that, so I definitely recovered fine. Because I have asthma, and I was like, "Yeah, I'm going to make sure I have medicine that works on hand." But they really just threw that system so fast. I know that's not for everybody, but also from the reading I've done.

We can move into this topic too, because in your book you talk about like, even with pertussis, when can they get it? When is it deadly? When are we able to vaccinate and how those timelines don't even match up? That really influenced my decision. There was a pertussis outbreak at my kindergartner's school when I had a newborn. I looked back at your book again and was like, "Okay, there's nothing I can do except to keep that child away from me for a little while." Just in case, for the incubation period. But, yeah, let's talk about COVID. Then, I think I had ... I'm going to look over my questions here in a second, but I'm really surprised. I saw you on your series, the video series, the Vaccine Conversation, talked about this. What is the preferred messaging you would've liked the CDC to have said to everybody with regards to children in COVID?

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yes. That drives me crazy. People know now, but we suspected from the beginning that COVID would be virtually harmless for every child who catches it, not every child, but virtually every child. It basically would be as bad as a common cold. Then, there are outliers. There are kids that have died from COVID or suffered complications, but they're such a tiny minority that should be looked at as good news. The media should have been spreading, the CDC should have been out there saying, "Great news, parents. Yeah, COVID might be bad for you guys and for grandma and grandpa, but for the kids, you barely have to worry. Then, here are the things to look out for, that you need to be aware of, but you don't have to panic. You don't have to worry."

I would've loved to see even one mainstream news outlet or medical organization or governed organization share that kind of good news. Did anybody? No, not once. They just focused on that immune inflammatory complication or the cardiac complications. Every time one bad thing happens to one child, they don't tell you the hundred thousand kids that were just fine that week. They tell you about the one. Again, I don't know why. Well, I do know why, but it bugs me that they approached it that way. They can't just be honest and upfront. Yeah. Tell us what the bad things are for those that it might happen to, but tell us the good news too, so we can have the truth and make decisions based on the truth.

I think so many people nationwide have completely lost trust in the CDC and our government messengers, and our medical experts because they refused to give them the whole picture and they just focused on the negative as best they can. Almost every new patient I've gotten here in the last six months is a family that were fully vaccinating, totally were doing everything. COVID totally changed their mind about everything. They come to me and I don't even have to tell them anything. They just say, "Here's what we want, what we don't want. We're taking a whole natural course on life now because our eyes have been opened to the ... that the government and pharma sometimes don't tell us what we need to know. We're now going to figure it out ourselves."

Andrea Olson:
What a beautiful silver lining that it woke all these people up. It woke me up. It woke me up. I wouldn't have seen that movie had this not happened. One of my kids has been throwing fits since his last dose of vaccines at 16 months. Massive, massive meltdown. There's the intuition and then the, I didn't really trust the corporations of government anyway, because I'm teaching EC. We're completely going against the grain. I did free births. I didn't even go to the hospital. Do you know how illegal it is here to do a home birth with a midwife? It's actually illegal in North Carolina.

Dr. Bob Sears:
That is crazy.

Andrea Olson:
Yeah. The midwife would get a felony if she practiced here in North Carolina. We just took it in our own hands and did it ourselves. Something like this could wake parents up and I hope that this episode, for those who need to hear this and who have already been like, "I don't know if I trust what's going on." That you're right. You're right. You shouldn't trust what's going on. If there's a concerted message that's only showing one side of the picture, that's propaganda. That's not news. That's propaganda. It's important to be discerning about that and then to do further research off of Google. We're going to get to that in a second of places where we can trust that we can go for more balanced information.

But let's talk about ... There was even a study that said children are not carriers of COVID. Will they kill grandma? No. Then, I tried to find that a couple weeks later after that in 2020, but I couldn't find it. It was removed from the internet. I've heard that children are not carriers. They have very low, low, low, low risk. You just look on the CDC's website and you see that, they've got like a 0.0. You're comparing it to a common cold, not even the flu?

Dr. Bob Sears:
Right, for a kid, yeah. For a lot of kids, yeah.

Andrea Olson:
Yeah. For a lot of kids. That's amazing, because I compare it to the flu, but that's even better. My experience of it was that too. I don't think they're carriers. Do you think that they're carriers? Because I've seen some research on it and I can't find it.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah. Well, I would say, I don't think there's such a thing as asymptomatic infectious carriers.

Andrea Olson:
Agreed. Yes.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Like, if you're asymptomatic, you're not going to spread it. But I feel like if a child is symptomatic with fever and a runny nose and a cough, they are going to be spreading-

Andrea Olson:
They're contagious. Yeah.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah, they're contagious. Yeah. There's a difference between being contagious and being carriers. I think that you are contagious when you're sick, of course.

Andrea Olson:
Fever or cough.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah, yeah. But are you going to be a silent carrier? Are you asymptomatic? No. Oh, one of the greatest disservices that happened very early on in COVID was that idea about asymptomatic carriers, and the source of that fear was, there was basically a study published in Europe by a whole team of doctors, because there was one outbreak in a business office in Europe. The outbreak was started by someone from Asia, a business person from Asia who had traveled to Europe, had a business meeting with all these people. That person left and everyone in that meeting came down with COVID. The person is like, "Oh, yeah, by the way, sorry. Now, I realize I have COVID too."

Everyone at the meeting thought that person was asymptomatic. The doctor's gone on it. They published a study right away without investigating much at all. The word spread all over the world, an asymptomatic outbreak from COVID. Well, it turns out that the patient with COVID was totally symptomatic.

Andrea Olson:
Had flu-like symptoms, right?

Dr. Bob Sears:
She had symptoms. She just took cough meds and hid her symptoms. During the meeting, she wasn't coughing, she felt fine. She didn't have a runny nose. She was totally symptomatic. The researchers, when they published her study, never talked to her. They never called her and they never investigated her to ask her if she had symptoms.

Andrea Olson:
Basically, two years of public health policies based on a bunch of-

Dr. Bob Sears:
Based on that one event.

Andrea Olson:
Which wasn't even accurate.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Right. They found all this out about a month after they published it, the journal that published it published like an update saying, oops, by the way, this didn't really happen. But by then-

Andrea Olson:
It already had taken hold.

Dr. Bob Sears:
The media didn't publicize that either.

Andrea Olson:
Of course not. That wouldn't be in their benefit.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Right. Right. It was a huge disservice and that just drove me nuts. That's why you just can't always trust every little bit of research that comes out because it's not-

Andrea Olson:
Yeah, and most of my audience doesn't anyway. Even today though, we're losing that part of discernment by being swayed by the public agenda, of the things that are going on. Now, let's round out this particular topic. Is there a risk for them to get, for children to get COVID? Extremely low, like the common cold. Are children carriers of COVID? If they're symptomatic, like anything, like our preschool says, wait 24 hours after you've got a fever or diarrhea or a cough or green snot. We know the basics of when we're going to be contagious. Sure. But asymptomatic, no. Then, is there a risk to the COVID injection? This is my audience, six months to five years old. I've got that whole range and I am extremely concerned about this possibility, but is there a risk to children associated with the COVID injection? I'm calling it an injection not a vaccine because it's gene therapy. It's not an actual vaccination.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah. I don't have any personal experience with the vaccine because I don't provide it in my office, like I do all of the other vaccines. There's a lot of extra things you have to have in your office to be a COVID vaccine provider. No personal experience. I do have questions though, because it is only emergency use authorized for the young kids. I think for me it's more about kids don't need a COVID vaccine because the disease is so mild for almost every child. If you're making a decision based on necessity, there's very little argument that a vaccine is needed for kids. Plus, largely because they also have not proven that giving all the kids the vaccine is going to reduce the spread. We don't know if it's going to reduce the spread.

Andrea Olson:
We talked about that a little bit ago, that you can still get this disease even when you have the vaccine. There's been entire cruise ships of fully vaccinated adult passengers who have a COVID outbreak, how do you explain that? You can still get it if you've been vaccinated.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah. For me, honestly, it's more about, do the kids need the vaccine, and is it going to help the pandemic? No, and we don't know, yet what does the CDC say? The CDC admits all of that quietly, but they still say, "Well, the best choice is still to vaccinate. Even though the disease is mild and we don't know it's going to help reduce the spread, still everyone's best choice as a child is to get the vaccine, and you should go ahead and get vaccinated anyway." Then, there's also a big safety discussion that is largely unknown.
For the young kids, we have very little safety data for the young kids and so that's problematic. The older kids and the young adults, especially the males, there is a big concern for cardiac side effects, and everyone's talking about that.

Andrea Olson:
Myocarditis, you look at the spike, there's a huge spike of cases for that. It's amazing.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah, and everyone's openly talking about that.

Andrea Olson:
But they say it's mild myocarditis, but I thought myocarditis was permanent, so it's a little confusing message.

Dr. Bob Sears:
"Oh, by the way, there's a much higher rate of myocarditis in teen males and young adult males." Then, right after they say that, "But the best decision is to go ahead and get vaccinated anyway." That's the narrative, and I think that's why they're losing people.

Andrea Olson:
They are because if you look at the data and you don't see a lot of teenage boys getting a serious ... they're not getting hospitalized. They've got almost the same rate of ... You've got the common cold data there too.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Right. Right.

Andrea Olson:
Is the vaccine necessary, is your point for this. That's how The Vaccine Book is laid out, which I so appreciate. You've got, these are the risks, these are the pros, the cons. Even the question of, due to the timing of when you would get this vaccine, is it necessary? But with COVID, due to the severity or the risk, is it necessary? Then, you guys, I'm going to link to Dr. Malone's, he's the inventor of the mRNA technology. I'm going to link to his podcast episode with, what's his name, the most famous podcaster on the planet? Hello.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Joe Rogan.

Andrea Olson:
Thank you. Joe Rogan.

Dr. Bob Sears:
I wish Joe would have me on. Joe, if you're watching this, come on, have me on.

Andrea Olson:
I know. I want to get on too. Dr. Bob and I both have excellent things to give to your podcast, Joe. Joe and Dr. Malone had this wonderful talk about how the vaccine actually congregates in the ovaries of females. My contention is, if that's a possibility, and mind you, we will talk about informed consent because they're not informing parents of these possibilities outright. You could die. You could get a blood clot that could kill you later. Our barber died. I definitely have people in my circles who've gotten strokes. I've never known anybody to get ever hurt by a vaccine ever. In the last two years, I've known so many people who've died.

That concerns me, but is that on the paperwork? No. This page is intentionally left blank. We've got a lot of questions there because it's the emergency use authorization. There's not all the paperwork in the studies that I would like to see if I'm going to give my child something injected into them. With the possibility and from the inventor of the technology, and this is my opinion, you guys, not Dr. Bob's. But I see that if this is going to congregate in the ovaries and I've seen other studies through Millions Against Medical Mandates of all of the female system, reproductive system health issues, thousands upon thousands, they've surveyed women, babies, not babies, five and up. We've got children who are female, adults, and grandmas, all of them reporting these really crazy changes. My nanny got vaccinated so she could go to a concert. She's 19. That's just how she thinks, one of my temporary nannies. I told her she can't come back for a while because I do believe that there's a possibility of shedding. I'm doing my research, I'm trying to protect my children. For me, that's going to look different from others. But for her, I said, "Well, how has your system been?" She said, "Well, I've been having two periods a month since I got these injections and I'm never going to get another one." This is in line with all the research I've seen. If you have a girl baby or toddler, and you're considering giving them this injection if it gets approved, think about that.

Then, look at, and I'll link to their podcast episode, so you can see what is actually happening, because this is gene therapy and not an actual vaccination. Then, you can look in the VAERS database, I'll link to that as well. That's not every case of injury, but that's showing a huge spike in reports, which is what that database was meant to show, that we've got normal reports, normal reports, and now we've got a ton of reports. It's not all of them, because Harvard has analyzed VAERS. It is showing us a spike to go, "Hey, red flashing lights, guys. Stop and think about what you're doing."

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah.

Andrea Olson:
Yeah. I get off my soapbox because I'm just like, "If there's a ... " I have two girls and three boys, if there's a possibility, my 11 year-old is like, "I will not do it. I don't want myocarditis." He's terrified. He's terrified of that because he's had Asperger's. He is really focused on these certain facts. It's just the possibility of it versus can this kill my child, can COVID kill my child? Can the flu kill my child? I don't think so. I'm pretty on top of it when they have the flu and I have all my natural medicines. I grow elderberries. I do all the things. I try to take care of them. I have my doctor at the hospital, but do I get the flu vaccine? No, because I've seen so many people get the flu from the vaccine. What's the point? Anyway, my journey is different from yours, but we have to think, especially because of the emergency nature of this treatment.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah.

Andrea Olson:
Yeah. We're on the same page, so I appreciate. But the people listening, I want you to hear this, this is ... I don't get to share this a lot because I will get canceled if I do, but on my podcast I'm allowed to. If this gets approved for babies, I heard that the vaccine companies, the pharmaceutical companies will not be liable for vaccine injury associated with it, if it gets added to the CDC schedule, am I getting that right?

Dr. Bob Sears:
Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's the same for all vaccines. Yeah. If it's added to the schedule, then nobody's liable, but they're not even liable under emergency use authorization either.

Andrea Olson:
They're not, but it wouldn't be any difference, but it would add it to the schedule of, "Hey, you need this to go to school."

Dr. Bob Sears:
It could, they're trying to pass that law in California.

Andrea Olson:
I saw that. Yeah.

Dr. Bob Sears:
The vaccine mandatory for school.

Andrea Olson:
Hence the massive number of people moving to Asheville from California.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andrea Olson:
Or, South Dakota.

Dr. Bob Sears:
I have family in North Carolina. I'm actually out there every two or three months visiting the grand babies.

Andrea Olson:
Awesome.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah.

Andrea Olson:
We'll have to meet up. We'll have to have lunch when you come out here. Awesome. I just feel like there's so many moms, when they get their hands on this information, who are going to be able to take that and take action. We've been to the school board, even though we homeschool. There's a lot of difference that we can make. Now, how do we help parents make an informed decision? Where can we find accurate information about general childhood vaccinations, which obviously would include your book, and about the COVID injection? Is there a resource or are there some that we can look at and get that?

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah, I guess, I'm always trying to explore new ways to provide those kinds of resources. Of course, there are books. I've actually made what I thought was a lot of fun to make, it's actually a video presentation very similar to The Vaccine Book, balanced objective, but basically in a video context with Melissa and I. We do that in an audio podcast on the Vaccine Conversation, but we basically created a video series, but mainly for new parents, mainly for parents who are trying to make this decision. As you know, on podcasts, you can have all kinds of different topics and hundreds of episodes. We go on all kinds of different tangents on our audio podcast.

But the video series, it's all focused hundred percent for that new parent, who's totally new to the concept of, that there's even anything to learn about when it comes to vaccines, and someone who's new to the conversation, or who wants just the basics. Now, there's probably like five hours of video footage. You have to commit to it to really get through it all, but it's all right there in conversational video format, where Melissa and I basically have this conversation about vaccines, trying to help people navigate and understand not just the information, but then how to process the information.

We take it a little step further than The Vaccine Book does, and we have a whole series on how to basically think through your decision and then arrive at what you feel like is right for your family. Now, we don't tell you what that is. We just try to equip you with what you feel like that is going to be. It has been a lot of fun to do. With this video series, we're basically going to keep putting new series on that every few months, every three or four months, but like a whole new 10 video series that takes that idea, and then keeps going with it. We'll cover COVID vaccine and then COVID disease coming up there as well. That's my recent thing that I've created that I'm very super excited about.

Because I don't think you can find much that's balanced online. I think it's going to be one side or the other, and we try to keep it not just in the middle, we definitely go both sides when we need to. But we try to basically give you the whole picture, not a picture with an agenda, so it's been a lot of fun.

Andrea Olson:
I love that, and that's at vaccineconversation.com?

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yup.

Andrea Olson:
Okay, awesome. I'm going to link to that in the show notes for this interview as well. There's also a flyer I saw at the local cafe that had a website for parents to get balanced, neutral advice and just information about this. I'm going to find that, you guys, and I'm going to link that in the show notes as well. There's not much, it's true. It's very confusing. There's a lot of pressure, especially from older people who might have medical issues who really want you to protect them. Honestly, even when it comes down to telling people whether you potty your baby, do you need to tell people you've been vaccinated or your children have been vaccinated? I say, no. I say that's your private medical information. It's none of anybody's business. If they feel that afraid, then they should get vaccinated and they should stay home.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah. That's funny. It's another California law. They're trying to give the government access to all children's vaccine records in California.

Andrea Olson:
Oh, my God.

Dr. Bob Sears:
That's awesome. It would be great.

Andrea Olson:
That is too much. That's awesome. Yeah, that'd be great. Why would you want to share all of that with the government? When has the government ever had our best interest in mind really? We should probably think about that too. Who is this coming from? I just want to end with just a couple of questions from a couple of my followers on Instagram. We both, yeah, anyway, we both agree. We should be free to make medical decisions for ourselves and our own children. That's the consensus, I believe, yeah. I don't think anybody should have any input into the way you give birth. Whether you breastfeed or not, whether you are doing potty training with the baby or not.

All of that is like, here's all the information to decide what's right for you and your family, but you need to have accurate information. The media, social media, and the government is not giving balanced information right now. It is, I believe, propagandized. It is very one sided, and this podcast is the other side. It's not even the other side, you're giving a lot of balance. You're saying the efficacy of vaccines is possible, and there are a lot of anecdotal things we've learned from you today. Let's end with just a couple of questions from them. Is The Vaccine Book still up to date? She wants to know. I know you updated it in 2019, but her specific question is, is the alternative schedule from your book still a good choice? If not, what do you do if you're already on it? I think she might have an older version of it.

Dr. Bob Sears:
It's hard to find the new version because Amazon also sells the old version too.

Andrea Olson:
I know. I have the same issue.

Dr. Bob Sears:
If you go to my, thevaccinebook.com website and then buy it on the Amazon link, but through my website, then I actually sign it and send it to you myself and then make sure the updated version. But no, I actually took the alternative vaccine schedules out of the new version of the book, because I didn't want to give anyone that specific guidance. A lot of people were not reading the book. They were not getting informed consent. They were just following the schedules by just seeing the one page in the book and I was no longer comfortable with that, so I took it out of the book. I can't answer the question if someone asks if my alternative schedules are still the best way to go. I don't think there is a best way to go for everybody. I think that's something you have to figure out for yourself. If you are going to do vaccines, I want you to find a doctor to guide you through it, not use a page from a book with a printed schedule. Because I don't know if that's right for your child, because I don't know your child.

Andrea Olson:
I'd love to share what I did as I decided when I sent them to preschool, they required immunization. I could have done a religious exemption. I would do it differently now or I do. I use a preschool and I just haven't given it to them, whatsoever. But what we did was go to the doctor and say, every time they offered, "We don't want to do that at this time. We don't want to do that at this time." When we had to sign something that said, "Oh, do you know how terrible this is, that you're doing this?" "Yes, I do, and I'm not going to do this at this time." I'm breastfeeding. I believe my child's getting a lot of nutrition and protection from that. We don't really go to a lot of places. We're at home a lot. We've got this. Make sure that the pediatrician I'm with already accepts that. If you're pregnant, find a pediatrician who's going to jive with that before you have your baby. But once we got to that point where, "Okay, I'm ready to do it." Then we sat down together, me and the pediatrician, and we looked at, "Okay, we've missed this, this and this. In order to catch up, here's what I suggest." Then, I, as the mom was like, "Oh, that seems like a lot. What would we do if we just did this one or that one?" The more I did that with them, we worked as a team and it was great. Would I do that now? Yeah. If I wanted to vaccinate partially, sure.I think finding a good pediatrician's important, that they're not going to just say, "No, you have to do it this way because all of my patients do it." Or, we can come visit you in California, in your practice in Dana Point. Since you don't have all the sick kids in your lobby, I'll be the first one there. Yeah, customized is better and that's why you removed it. That makes sense.

Another follower said, her son got Lyme's disease this year at three years old and was on antibiotics for seven months. She wants to know what is the best way to heal the body after several months of antibiotics.

Dr. Bob Sears:
I think you eat a lot of probiotic foods, minimize or not just minimize, but zero sugar, zero white sugar. You want to maybe reduce grain carbs. You're not like carbing out, as kids love to do.

Andrea Olson:
I know.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Those steps would be pretty, pretty useful ways to regrow your gut flora. That's my basic go-to protocol for helping people recover from antibiotics.

Andrea Olson:
Awesome. That's great advice. Do you guys get monetary gain from getting all your patients fully vaccinated? I forgot to ask you that.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Oh, heck, yeah. Of course we do. No. Yeah, but I don't.

Andrea Olson:
Not you. Of course not you, but all the other pediatricians?

Dr. Bob Sears:
No. Actually, yes, there are. There are financial incentives. It's based on your insurance contracts. Not every pediatrician has contracts that give them incentives, but some pediatricians do. Then, pediatricians, they could get like a $10,000, $20,000 bonus at the end of the year if they have a very high level of fully vaccinated patients in their office.

Andrea Olson:
That was how much?

Dr. Bob Sears:
Like $10,000, $20,000 per doctor in an office. If they have too many families in their practice that aren't compliant, then they lose out on that complete bonus. That's why in my area, most pediatricians won't even see one such patient anymore. They kick them all out because they don't want to risk. I think for them, they think they're doing it because it's for the good of society and the good of their other patients. In their mind they're probably not doing it for financial reasons, but for a lot of pediatricians, there is that underlying financial incentive to not have non-compliant patients in their office and to kick them-

Andrea Olson:
That's a business, a pediatric, it's a business. Of course, the person in the office is going to be like, "How can we lower our costs and increase our profits?" Maybe the doctor's not doing it, but maybe somebody in the office is like, "Well, we could get all this extra money. We just need to bump this up." Yeah. Bump up sales on this particular type of pillow or whatever it is.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yes.

Andrea Olson:
It is a business. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. I saw that somewhere in your series and I just found that really fascinating, because we also look at who benefits if we keep our kids in diapers till two or three or four years old. The parents don't benefit, the environment doesn't benefit, babies certainly don't benefit, but those companies do benefit. Where does that money come from? Does it come from the government? Are we paying taxes into that?

Dr. Bob Sears:
That's a good question. I suspect it's pharmaceutical companies that give bonuses the insurance companies to pass on those bonuses. I suspect, but I don't know for sure.

Andrea Olson:
Who knows for sure, but we can guess. All right. Then, I think there is another petition up on Stand for Health Freedom for this upcoming six months to five-year injection. I'm going to just recommend ... They're calling you. They know we're talking. I'm just going to recommend, I'll put that on the show notes as well, you guys. If you want to get involved and prevent that from being approved by the FDA, because it's not necessary for babies of that age, because of just the non-severity of this disease for them. I'm going to put that there too, because some of you listening are probably like, "I feel a little bit powerless. This feels like it's going to happen with or without me." Are there any other resources or places that we can support all parents just being able to make whatever decisions are good for them?

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah. I like people to follow whatever local health freedom groups are in their state. Then, one organization that has groups in pretty much every state is NVIC, National Vaccine Information Center. They have an advocacy website. There are states, specific organizations or any health freedom organization, join them and be a voice, be a person, and then step up for your freedom, because we've lost these freedoms in California and New York and some other states. They're going to whittle away at other states as well. Slowly, one by one, these states could make all this mandatory and you could lose these freedoms in years to come unless we do something about it.

Andrea Olson:
Yeah. I completely agree. Well, we all wrote letters and I think that's why they delayed this FDA decision back when I had Maureen on a couple episodes ago.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Awesome.

Andrea Olson:
That was just about eight weeks ago. It was supposed to happen the next day, it was an emergency interview. I was like, "Oh, you got to tell us, what can we do? We need information." Then, it got delayed. What is Robert F. Kennedy Jr's organization?

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yes, Children's Health Defense.

Andrea Olson:
Children's Health Defense.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah. Great organization.

Andrea Olson:
They put a huge callout for people, a great organization, yeah. I'll link to that as well. The last question is from Maureen and she says to say hello. When you come to Asheville, we'll all have to have dinner together.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah.

Andrea Olson:
She said, ask him about my favorite topic. How do we raise healthy kids in an increasingly toxic and insane world?

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah. Well, I think we've just been talking about that this whole time. You get educated and research things yourself. Don't take anyone's word for it. You have to do your homework and decide how you want to raise your kid naturally.

Andrea Olson:
That's great advice.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah. I don't know when you're airing this. I'm coming out to North Carolina, I'm actually giving a talk. There's a group called HEAL North Carolina.

Andrea Olson:
HEALNC, yeah.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah, HEALNC, yeah.

Andrea Olson:
There's who I saw 1986, The Act, the movie with.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Oh, cool. Yeah, HEALNC is having myself and a couple other people, including a beloved, a North Carolina physician, Cammy Benton. They're having us out there for a conference at the end of April or something. Yeah, I don't know if you're going to air this before that or not, but yeah, it's on the HEALNC website.

Andrea Olson:
Is it on April 23rd?

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah. April 23rd. Yeah, that sounds right. April 23rd.

Andrea Olson:
Well, maybe we'll just have to post this next week so that people can get out there and see you. Is it in Raleigh?

Dr. Bob Sears:
Raleigh area, yeah.

Andrea Olson:
Yes. Okay, great. I'll post a link to that you guys as well. Then, if you miss it somehow and you didn't listen to this in time, or you're not in our area, there are going to be so many links and so many ways that you can participate. But it really does come down to you, even all the stuff you learn in today's show from Dr. Bob, or maybe you learn something from me in my experience, use discernment with that too. You should question all of it. You should question it all, do your research, and remember, when you Google something, you're going to get a curated list of answers. I highly recommend using an alternative search engine to do your research. Also, talk to people like Dr. Bob, there are so many like you out there who are not really ... you're being very vocal about it, which is super brave and I appreciate your courage so much. There are a lot of people who just, if you have a one-on-one conversation with them, they will tell you similar things. We can all help each other, raise each other up, and keep our kids as healthy as possible by raising them as naturally as possible and sticking with our values in that process.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah. Yeah. Amen.

Andrea Olson:
Amen. Thank you so much for being on the show.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah. Well, thank you, Andrea. It's been a blast. A lot of fun.

Andrea Olson:
We can also find you guys at askdrsears.com?

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah. I'm not really there much, but yeah, that's our basic, our family's website for everything, all the information you want to know except vaccines. Yeah, it's for everything, Attachment Parenting and ... Yeah.

Andrea Olson:
Your mom does a weekly show there too?

Dr. Bob Sears:
She does, yes.

Andrea Olson:
Yeah. I love all the things you're doing just to help us moms. I really do. Then, where can we find you? Is there another website?

Dr. Bob Sears:
I'm basically on thevaccineconversation.com, but I just started DrBobSears.org, DrBobSears.org. It's not up yet, but it'll probably be up by the time you air this. It's my new thing I'm playing around with just to have my own presence on the website, on the Internet.

Andrea Olson:
Well, without all those ear infections to treat, you'll have some time to spread your message further.

Dr. Bob Sears:
Yeah. Yeah.

Andrea Olson:
Well, great. Thank you, again, for being on the show. I really appreciate it.

Dr. Bob Sears:
All right. Thanks, Andrea. I'll see you soon, hopefully.

Thanks so much for listening. This is the Go Diaper Free podcast at godiaperfree.com. We'll see you next time.