Interview with Maureen McDonnell of mamm.org: A discussion about injections for 6 month to 5 year old children
Just a heads up that this episode is not about EC. It’s about something I have deeply researched and wish to share, from the perspective of an expert.
Feel free to skip this one, or read the trigger warning below and bravely listen even if it’s not your bag.😘
Our next episode is about homeschooling and will be out on Tuesday! So be sure to stay along for that and 8 more EC-solution-oriented podcasts to follow it!! 🙌
Maureen McDonnell, RN, founder of Millions Against Medical Mandates and I discuss Pfizer's recent application (and surprising withdrawal) for EUA of their injection for babies 6 months to 5 years. If you have been concerned with the spiking accounts of side effects of the injection, DROP EVERYTHING and listen in!
Wherever you stand on this issue (even if you're not sure), as parents we have the right to do our due diligence and make the choices that are best for our own families, without coercion, without shaming. Unfortunately, much of the information out there is one-sided, so this episode is meant to balance that so you can make an INFORMED decision regarding your own family.
As you know, I am allllll about sovereignty and raising children naturally. That’s what pottying our babies from birth is truly rooted in! So although this episode is “different,” Maureen and I make lots of references to this style of parenting throughout the interview. Hope you enjoy this fresh, well-researched perspective!
PLEASE NOTE: If this topic is sensitive for you, I highly recommend listening in full or skipping this episode altogether. I strongly believe this decision is each person's to make, for themselves and their children, and I have no judgment for your choice in the end. My goal is to decrease division, actually. Right now we really need each other, so if you have done your due diligence and we end up disagreeing, no worries, no judgment. I just feel this is a very important and timely, almost urgent, topic, and I hope you enjoy the information.
You will hear:
- the incredible increase in the number of vaccines given to children
- whether the injection medically qualifies as a “vaccine”
- whether vaccine manufacturers are held liable
- hopeful news regarding mandates for babies and young children
- why discerning parents “follow the money” (just like with the diaper companies!)
- the danger with adding children's injections to the Emergency Use Authorization
- what emotional + censorship triggers can signal and what to do (what to do if this triggers you)
- post-injection: what the world's top cardiologist and most-published MD is seeing
- how covid actually affects babies
- the startling revelation of the PCR test's creator
- where immunity starts and the best way to boost it
- the germ theory and how it shaped our modern medical practice
- antibody presence vs. immunity
- sources for education and empowerment
Links and other resources mentioned today:
- MAMM (Maureen’s Website)
- Saving Our Kids, Healing Our Planet
- 1986 The Act
- The 5 Docs Interviews
- Children’s Health Defense
- Joe Rogan and Robert Malone interview
- America’s Frontline Doctors
- Kids + Covid Webinar
- MD Christiane Northrup’s interview (free) and ebook (available with small donation)
- A Shot in the Dark
- The Highwire (Del Bigtree)
- Dr. Mercola
- Stand for Health Freedom
- The Epoch Times
- JP Sears Youtube and Instagram
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If this episode triggers you, that is a sign that something else is at play. And when they’re trying to control our parenting to make more money, we as parents, have the duty to question that. And that’s what this episode has been about.
Hey there, welcome to the Go Diaper Free podcast. I'm Andrea Olson, your host, author, and mom of five babies, all EC'd from birth, all out of diapers by walking.
You guys, today I have another interview. And I know I don't do a lot of interviews on the Go Diaper Free podcast, but lately there's just been so much to share about other things to do with parenting, about the way we feed our babies, everything down to sleep, all of that. Today's interview is going to be a little bit different though and there's an urgency to it. Because the way the world is right now and all of the pressures and all of the encouragement to do things that we may or may not be in alignment with, and for this, I brought on a very special guest today to answer a whole bunch of questions about something that might be up for some of you. So if you want to just tune in only for stuff about infant potty training, then skip this one. And if you're open to other things that might affect your six month to five year babies, then stay tuned to this one.
Now, let me just preface all of this by saying I'm not trying to convince anybody to revolt or be anti-vax or anything from our topic today. I am sharing this information today because I feel a duty to parents in our community to share another valid side of the story that the mainstream media and government is working very hard to censor, to demoralize, to cover up, and to silence, which makes me highly concerned. It kind of reminds me of the diaper industry, trying to censor anybody, trying to potty train before the age of two or three. So similar kind of moves. What is the big cover up about? This is unprecedented and now they're after our babies. So this, because I serve all of you, I just want to serve you with some more information about something that's up in today's culture, and that's why we have this interview that's even off schedule for our podcast today.
So I've brought on an expert today, Maureen McDonald, of Millions Against Medical Mandates. I'm going to tell you a little bit about her in a second. But I want to mention just as a sovereign parent, which I know most of my followers, you guys are very much into that word these days - sovereign - you above anyone else have the right and the duty to do due diligence with any medical decision for your baby, the right to informed consent, which has been lacking during the last two years, to thoroughly weigh the cost versus the benefits of the COVID injection, which is the topic of today's talk, and to make the decision that is right for your child. So because the state does not own your child, we are going to talk about what right do we have. And the state doesn't own your child yet anyway, and hopefully never will if I have anything to do with it.
My hope is that if our talk today resonates with you in any way that you'll be inspired to take action, however that looks for you, and at the end of this interview we will let you know how to do that, and it is timely. So now onto our interview. Welcome Maureen.
I'm going to introduce you with your bio that you sent me. You guys Maureen's background is super interesting. I didn't want to just talk about this from my point of view, because a lot of you, not a lot of you, but some people have criticized me for talking about things that are out of my lane. Well, this is in Maureen's lane. Maureen McDonald has been a holistic nutritionally oriented RN for more than 40 years. So in 1993, after working in labor and delivery, pediatrics, and teaching natural childbirth classes, she began organizing conferences focused on natural ways to raise healthy kids in a toxic world. For 10 years, she was the national coordinator of the Defeat Autism Now conferences. Maureen Also served as the health editor of WNC Woman magazine for seven years, and that's where we live.
In 2008, she co-founded Saving Our Kids, Healing Our Planet, which is sokhop.com. And for three years, she was the medical coordinator of the Imus Ranch for Kids With Cancer in New Mexico. So highly qualified background. And I want to add in 2019, Maureen called together 52 thought leaders from various like-minded organizations for a three day mountain retreat summit with the explicit intention of building collaboration, strength, and effectiveness within the vaccine risk aware and health freedom movements. So subsequent to this gathering Maureen founded Millions Against Medical Mandates, mamm.org, which is an organization that works in collaboration with CHD, Health Choice, and many other health freedom groups to end unjust and insane medical mandates. She now serves as the Executive Director of MAMM. Maureen, welcome.
Thank you so much.
I know that everybody listening, who has heard MAMM is probably like, oh my gosh, how do you know this woman? So Maureen lives in the same town as I do. We've become friends through all of the freedom movements we're a part of. And we're just going to talk today about the introduction of the idea of a COVID injection for the six months to five year crew. So for the record, I just want to know if you are anti-vax.
That's a tough question to lead off with. But I would have to say having been a pediatric nurse all these years, 40 plus years, and having been the coordinator of the Defeat Autism Now conferences for 10 years, it was during that tenure, during the Defeat Autism Now, where I literally met, I'm not talking hundreds, I'm talking thousands of parents who told me that they basically had a normal child prior to the MMR, prior to the getting five vaccines in one day, prior to their child being sick and the physician insisting that they take the injections anyway. So I've also watched this, when my kids were small, I'm quite a bit older than probably most of your audience. My kids were small. There were about five to 11 vaccines given to children before the age of five. Now there's 26 in the first year, 52 before age five and 72 before 18.
So I am anti that kind of takeover of the pediatric world as if vaccines are the answer for everything. Do I think the concept is great? Absolutely. Who would not want to protect their children against infection? Do I think they're completely safe without any side effects? Have they done long-term studies? Have they done safety studies? Basically, no. So it's a tough question, but I would have to answer that. Yes, I am very skeptical about most of the injections they're giving our kids, the number of them, the ingredients, the safety studies, and now by adding the COVID injection, which I won't even call a vaccine into the incredibly expansive schedule for our children without, I might add, any liability by the manufacturers. Now there is not another product in the world where the manufacturer has absolutely no liability.
So if you get an injection in your arm, Andrea, and I, as a nurse, give it to you, I'm not liable. The doctor who told me to give it isn't liable, the people who made the vaccine are not liable. So what kind of situation is that if that doesn't send a red flag up for people to investigate, all those parents that I mentioned from the Defeat Autism Now world that I did for the conferences for 10 years, they used to look at me after the three day conference and say, "Once they realized what had happened to their children, if only I knew then what I know now, I would've made different choices." So I've pretty much dedicated my life, my career and even personally, I talk just as a mother and a grandmother to the idea that, Hey, let me give you some information now, so you don't have to be one of these people that look back and say, "If I only knew then, yeah, I would do things differently."
Right. And that's so applicable to even what I teach elimination communication, which is infant potty training. So many parents, it's not quite so life or death, but so many parents say, "If I only would've known about this before with my first child, I would've done this. Or 20 years ago, I would've known about this, I would've done this with my children." That it's so much, just knowing and educating ourselves about these alternative ways, not just what the mainstream feeds us is so important as parents so that we can make informed decisions. So I appreciate that.
Yeah. I think too, there's truly a lost art of caring for, and raising our children in rhythm with nature. It's really a lost art. And part of that comes from the very targeted way that the pharmaceutical industry has taken over the pediatric profession. Well taken over the whole medical system. But I think that really is something parents, young parents have to look at is do your own due diligence. Do your research, find that connection with your innate inner wisdom as a mom, as a parent and trust that. Yes, consult your pediatrician, consult the experts, but never abdicate, total responsibility for the health and wellbeing of your child to anybody. You are the expert.
Absolutely. And in this similar way, the diaper companies have taken over pediatrics as well. They have Pampers Institute where they teach. They actually teach the text books. They write the textbooks that our pediatricians use to inform parents to wait until two or three years old, to have their children pooping and peeing themselves till then, which is impacting their start at life. So I think that we're on the same page on those sorts of general topics and about raising children in a way where we feel like we are the ones who get to make those decisions. So you guys, this is what the talk today is about. Just opening your eyes and ears about something. If you want to learn more about vaccine liability and stuff like that, 1986: The Act (2020). That's a film that I think I met somebody from your organization for the first time a couple years ago.
And that movie really impacted me about whether or not I will continue to vaccinate my children. So for those of you who want a little more information on what Maureen just mentioned, there's that. Now I understand that there was supposed to be a decision coming up in the government on February 15th. Can you tell us what the issue is and maybe why it's no longer?
Yes. So Pfizer petitioned the FDA to authorize, not approve, authorize the injection, the COVID injection to be given to children as young as 6 months old. They've already authorized 5 to 11 year olds to receive this. And we're seeing a multitude of problems from that. But now we're going down the line to the six month old. So believe it or not, about 15 minutes before we started this interview, I received two emails, saying that no one knows why, but for whatever reason, Pfizer has withdrawn their petition to the FDA to have the vaccine authorized for children that young. I saw something that they're waiting to see if they don't know if two doses are better or three doses.
Yeah, what I read was that two doses were not effective in establishing any immunity.
Antibody development. Yeah, they weren't seeing. They were giving a dose, a 10th of the adult dose or something. I mean, I don't think this is the right time to get into what's in these injections. But I work with several physicians. Once a month, I do an interview with, we call them The Five Docs, Sherri Tenpenny, Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, who's probably the world's most educated person when it comes to vaccines. And Dr. Christiane Northrup, who's a world renowned OB-GYN, been on Oprah 10 times, been on PBS specials on Women's Health eight times, New York Times best seller. Orthopedic surgeon Lee Merritt, former Naval commander. Maybe the world's best pediatrician, holistic pediatrician, Dr Larry Palevsky and Dr. Carrie MadeJ, who's also so well informed when it comes to these vaccines.
So if you want to learn about what's in these injections and from the perspective of physicians with their kind of experience and understanding, I would really go to our website, MAMM, mamm.org, all ten episodes are on there. But I will tell you that it's quite alarming that people... Here's an example, you go to the pharmacy, you're getting a new drug. They give you a package insert. You open it up, it's this big, most medications, it lists what the contraindications are, why you shouldn't take it, what the ingredients are. Well, if you go to a pharmacy and ask for the insert to the COVID injection, you'll get a big piece of paper that's blank, like five times this size.
That's fold out and is blank. And then you...
Or that says intentionally left blank depending on the one.
Totally. So I'm just saying that, don't listen to me, just connect a few dots and listen to your own common sense.
And literally with the diaper companies, we follow the money and you look at the studies.
Yes, that's what you have to do.
And you really read of studies that they're quoting science on, even with potty training and diapers, you will see that there is nothing there. So when we really look at this, do we even have access to it? No, we don't even have one. There's so many things that are being shielded from us, which should, as parents make us skeptical. That's a healthy skepticism. It's nothing irresponsible, but it is healthy. So what will happen if they bring this back to the table and under the emergency use authorization, they pass this approval of the injection for 6 months to 5 year old babies.
Well, one of the reasons they want to approve it and get it in while the Emergency Use Authorization Act is in effect is so they can roll into being part of the children's vaccine schedule. So it's recommended by the CDC. And once it becomes part of that schedule, which I mentioned 26 in the first year, 52 before age five and so on, that is when the manufacturers of these injections have... There's no recourse, there's no liability. So they are free. I mean, I always say, well, what's their incentive to make them safer. They don't have any incentive because I can't sue them if I get harmed or my child or my grandchild gets harmed. So there's no incentive to make a better product, to make a safer product. It's just, these companies were brilliant.
In my 1986, somehow they convinced Congress. They said, "If you don't give us liability, we're not making vaccines anymore." And back then there were like I said, 5 to 11 before the age of 5, all of a sudden Congress said, "Oh, you're free of all liability." And that's when the vaccine manufacturers exploded and all these new vaccines came on the schedule. And there are even some states that are saying, "No matter what comes down the pipeline." Because there's 278 new vaccines in the pipeline. And there are some states that say, "Hey, once they come out, just automatically put them on, put them on, put them on the schedule." So I think what's happening, and it could be related even to why Pfizer has removed their petition. Maybe it's a ploy, maybe it's a distraction, but we have had a major outcry. MAMM just sent a news alert. You sent it out. CHD, we're working closely with Children's Health Defense on this.
And that's Robert F. Kennedy Jr's organization.
Yeah, we're trying to get people to take action, to sign petitions and to write specifically to the FDA to oppose this. This is an experimental novel mRNA injection that has never been used before on human beings. All the studies in the past with animals, the animals either died or developed autoimmune illness. So even the main guy who's involved, the physician PhD MD, Robert Malone, who was so responsible for the mRNA technology has said, "Guys, stop, stop, using this." And during a pandemic, this is not what it was created for.
Now, I do want to know what impact has the injection been having on our five to 11 year olds and our 12 to 18 year olds?
Well, the first thing we saw is as Dr. Peter McCullough talks about on that Joe Rogan interview, which he's one of the top cardiologists in the world. He's also more published than any other physician. He's published, mostly being lead author for over a thousand articles and studies that are in mainstream medical journals. So this is a guy with an impeccable reputation, and he specifically zeros in on the myocarditis issue, which is happening. We've seen our athletes drop on the field and either they die immediately or they have very serious cardiovascular problems, including myocarditis.
Which is permanent. It doesn't go away.
No, it doesn't go away. And it requires bedrest and minimal activity and they can use various drugs and sometimes other interventions to mitigate it. But it's a very serious problem. And it's happening to mostly teenage boys that have developed this after getting the COVID injection and young men. And the theory with the athletes, why it's happening so frequently to the athletes is that the more you are moving your body and pumping your heart and your cardiovascular system is working hard, the more these spike proteins, which are generated from the injection, they were saying in the beginning that, oh, you get it in your deltoid muscle and the spike protein stay there. No, they go to all the organs in your body, your heart, your lungs, especially your ovaries if you're a young girl or young woman. The brain, and definitely as I said, your or heart.
So these spike proteins are supposedly there to trigger antibody formation, but they have dangerous components themselves. So we're seeing that in the 5 to 18 year olds. And then, I mean, I'm sorry, the 18 year olds and the young men. Well, there's been kids as low as 13, 14, 15 too, mostly boys. The girls have other issues I've seen. I was at the march in Washington DC, which was called Defeat the Mandate march. And they had a whole slew of physicians speak about why the effective treatments have been blocked for treating COVID because there's so many things that help prevent COVID and help treat it early on so it doesn't progress into the cytokine storm, which is the inflammation. And then the blood clotting issue, which is the main problem. But they also had a number of people, including an orthopedic surgeon there and a young biker who was a professional biker and they all had major injuries from the COVID injection and they're all until they found each other, they were really experiencing intense gas lighting. People were just saying they were crazy. They were making it up. I mean, they were trying to do the right thing, like we all try to do. They did this for the greater good, they were really convinced that it was the right thing to do. And as you know, and your audience probably knows, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System that you can find on the CDC website, not that easily, it's easier to go to openvaers.com.
Correct. And the numbers now, and they consider it extremely underreporting, but there's at least 23,000 people who have died shortly after receiving this injection and over, I think it's close to 1.8 million serious adverse reactions. So this is nothing to shake a stick at.
And that is only estimated to be 1 to 50% of the actual, right.
One to ten. Yes.
One to 10% of the actual, because a lot aren't reporting.
That's right. It's very challenging for physicians to report because they could get black-balled for saying that there's a connection between, and that's a whole other thing about after...
And here, I just wanted to interject something. So when I had COVID in December, I used Ivermectin. I gave COVID to my mom and my stepdad who are very high risk both of them, one of them obese one with heart issues. I overnighted them, Ivermectin as well. Just going to admit that this is just what I've done and it absolutely nailed, nipped it in the bud. And the fact that this treatment is being basically demonized in America and all over the world. And this drug is being kept from people when it costs a dollar 80 for a 10 pack of it that could prevent all of these, at least a lot of the major issues from happening along with other things that we also took like vitamins and being in the sun, et cetera. A lot of people's arguments are, well, this is a pandemic and this is serious.
And you're people at risk by not getting them vaccinated. We have just as many vaccinated and unvaccinated people in the hospital from COVID right now. We aren't using the therapies that actually work in a timely fashion. People are actually withholding the medications that can prevent major issues with COVID. So if we could just zoom out a little bit and just understand the big picture a little more, that everything, the mainstream media and the government is trying to feed a lot of you. And a lot of you who have listened this far into the interview are probably on the same page, but maybe you're new to this, but just think about it. If there are actual treatments that work, what's the use of a vaccine. If you can get COVID, even if you've had the vaccine, what's the use of a vaccine. And furthermore that this isn't actually a vaccine, it is mRNA technology.
It is an injection. And this is the level of research that I've done. Again, I'm no expert, but I've been following the same doctors you're talking about and America's Frontline Doctors. And I really feel like we're going at this whole problem in the wrong way. And then furthermore, I really want to talk about how does COVID even affects babies and children, or does it? Because if we are putting them in masks all the time, not my kids, we won't wear them, but then a lot of kids are still masked at school. We've got vaccines being introduced and causing major issues. We're causing infertility in our girls, myocarditis in our boys. If those are even risks, including death at all, I'm going to weigh the risks and benefits as a mom and say, "You know what, we'll pass on that one."
Like the flu shot, we don't really want to get the flu from the flu shot. So we're going to pass on that one. And I have the right to do that. But we can rewind a little bit and go, okay, does COVID even have an effect on babies and children? And if so, what is it?
Well, I just did a webinar on that very subject with three medical doctors and you can find that on the mamm.org website, it's called COVID in Kids. Also on our website is an incredible ebook that Dr. Christiane Northrup created, and for a small donation of any amount you can download that ebook it's really, really informative. But I think the gist of what you're getting at is the fact that if a child was to contract COVID, if they have a 99.995% chance of survival. So a very minimal negligible percent chance that they would be seriously ill or die from COVID. So we did have some deaths last year, but remember every single one of those children had a serious comorbidity, there were a couple hundred. And the other thing to remember is the CDC says, it's right on their website, that only about 6% of the people they say passed away from COVID actually passed away solely from COVID. That the other 94% had other comorbidities, meaning they had cancer, they had heart disease, obesity being the number one comorbidity.
They actually had over two comorbidities. I think it was something like 2.1 or 2.3.
Yeah, it's 2 point something comorbidity
So guys do you hear that out of all of the COVID deaths that you've heard of only 7% are actually from COVID. The rest of them are with COVID with over 2.0 comorbidities. So something else killed them and they tested positive for COVID as well.
Okay. Please continue.
Well, just going back to what you were saying about the Ivermectin and the effective treatments, very, very early on, because I've been into holistic health for 40 years and just kind of a worry out there, screaming from the rooftops that parents really need to relearn the art of raising children naturally in this increasingly toxic world. But so very early on in COVID I think it was April, it got figured out. They started talking in March, by April or May, we had made a video on all the ways that you can prevent yourself from getting sick and your family, including your children. And then the early treatment that we were finding, even back then before it got so censored. So I think that people really need to go back to those roots and understand there's so much that can be done, preventatively with diet, with supplements, with herbs, with lifestyle. Like you said, get out in the sunshine, exercise, get that Vitamin D up.
It's so important. And then early treatments like ivermectin. But children really, as Dr. Malone said, who was one of the creators of the mRNA technology, children have very strong immune systems and they can get rid of these viral viruses pretty easily. And it very rarely goes into complications. So I think that we have to look at all the different dots and start connecting them including, and this may be jumping ahead, but we really have to understand that this is not a pandemic, it's a casedemic. And the reason it's a casedemic is because the PCR test has been lauded as this exceptional, wonderful tool to help us determine who is sick and who isn't. In actuality, Kary Mullis, who created the PCR test, he passed away in August of 2019 at a very young, healthy age. But he said, "This is not meant to detect. It can't tell the difference between a flu and the COVID. It can't tell the difference between a live virus and a dead virus." So again, that's another dot that they're testing asymptomatic people. I'm asymptomatic right now.
I could get a PCR test. They could come, they could find a fragment of a viral infection that I had 10 years ago. And because they amplify it, the cycle threshold it's called, it's supposed to be around 25. They go up to 45, 46. You're going to find my grandmother's hair follicle in there. I mean, it's like, you just can't make this stuff up. And this is what people, thanks to mainstream media, are understanding to be the truth. That we have a pandemic when in actuality, we have a casedemic because in 90% of the time, many of these experts in the PCR world are saying those tests are inaccurate. So they're showing up with false positive results. People were put in lockdown, they were put in quarantine and they were told they were sick when they weren't, even if they were sick, they weren't given proper treatment.
They're giving treatment that actually killed them, like our friend.
Well, that's another story I don't know if you want to get into.
We don't need to, but I have a very close friend from one of my groups here in town. Anyway his family decided that they wanted Remdesivir and a ventilator and he died and he died from that. So we've got a lot of malpractice. We've got a lot of not doing preventive treatments like elderberry, echinacea. I grow them on my property. I give my kids that every day they have really strong immune systems, but I would even say that babies and children, their immune systems are actually helped if they do contract COVID. My kids had it when I had it. Each of them had a flu for 24 hours and they alternated every other day. So while I sick, trying to recover and to take care of five children who were also cycling through being sick. And now if we were to get a vaccine for any of us, Dr. Malone says that we would have a 40 to 60% increased chance of a major adverse reaction.
So the way I see it is I've been getting my informed consent, not from the package of the vaccine or the injection. I've been getting my informed consent from doing my own research because everything is so censored. And coming to the conclusion of, okay, does the risk outweigh the benefit. Or the benefits outweigh the risk? And are we going to get this injection or not? Well, my answer is no, because we've already done enough research to decide on our own. The fact that COVID has also been shown to not be transmitted from children to adults as well. We've got so much real actual science that's being suppressed. So again, anyone listening, think about that, why are they struggling so hard and so fast to suppress all of this information.
If it were true science, we would be allowed to go, Hey, this doesn't make sense. Let's do another study and let's do a bunch of them and compare notes. We aren't even allowed to talk about this. So this is why this is only appearing on my podcast. It's not going YouTube or social media because people are banning people who are sharing and just having conversations like this. But as parents, we need to have these conversations. I have a question too. Do children have a higher or lower chance of perishing from the flu versus COVID?
I don't have the flu statistics-
You don't. Okay.
... Off hand. But I would say that I was just listening to Dr. Cammy Benton, who is here in North Carolina. She's a physician in Greensboro, I think. And she's opening up a new health paradigm type health hospital, health clinic, wellness center. And she was talking about how 15 years ago, or 20 years ago, the flu was just something, we all just dealt with. And of course the healthier you are, the more access and understanding you have of herbs like elderberry and echinacea, astragalus and juicing green, juices for your kids and making bone broth and all those kinds of things, the less likely the flu is going to turn into something serious. But she was recalling how, I think it was George Bush the 2nd, when he was in office, somebody gave him a dare about, and he said, "I'm going to have flu vaccines on every corner."
And all of a sudden it was this major push, even though they're not effective. And oftentimes they cause the flu. So is the flu harmful for kids? Obviously depends on the child's pre-flu condition. If someone is immunocompromised or they're white as a ghost and they never get out in the sun or they eat a total processed food diet and they don't know what an herb or vitamin or a green vegetable looks like, I would say, they're probably going to have a rougher time battling anything - a cold, a flu, preventing cancer, anything. So that's the thing. It's like the stronger we can make our immune systems and the immune systems of our children. And by the way, 80% of our immune system is headquartered in the gut. So having a healthy gut, giving your kids fermented vegetables or forms of probiotics, kimchi, and things like that, really helps create, one of my favorite sayings is the road to good health is paved with good intestines. So it's really important for your immune system and other things also.
I think that that really resonates with a lot of my listeners. So I'm glad that you brought that up. I mean we also deal with what comes out the other end. So we're very much... People who are doing infant potty training are very aware of the ins and outs of the intestines as well in a different way. This makes total sense. And I would even go so far as to say as a, I'm also a movement educator. I host dances every week and we build our immune systems by breathing in each other's air. And by exchanging biological information with each other. And children who are breathing through a mask all day long, the bacteria that they've tested that lives on those masks is crazy first of all, like there's a lot. It exposes them to so much bacteria that they shouldn't be breathing in every day. But also not being able to see people's faces.
We are constantly scanning the room, trying to check out if people are safe or not. Our babies are even learning how to form words by watching people's mouths move. So there are a lot of things that are happening right now that are counter nature. So you talk about getting back to natural parenting, being able to analyze this situation and what you're going to be willing to do with your children injection wise is part of aligning yourself with nature. If we can build up our children in other ways, is this necessary? Is this actually a threat for children? What is the exact threat? And then what are the risks? We look at the VAERS database and we see an immense amount of vaccine damage. This has spiked more than ever before on all the vaccine damage from VAERS reports. And that really isn't meant to be, Hey, this is all the information in VAERS. This is kind of a pulse on how we are doing as far as adverse reactions to vaccines go? And this pulse has skyrocketed in 2021. I want to shift, unless you have final comments on any of that.
Yes. I just want to say, to piggyback on what you just said about the fear of germs. I think this is, it hankers back to Louis Pasteur versus Antoine Béchamp at the end of the last century. And Louis Pasteur was like, "It's all about the germs and germs are going to kill you. And we have to sterilize everything. And Antoine Béchamp was a contemporary of his who said with the same intellectual capacity and understanding of microbiology. And he said, "No, no, it's the terrain. It's the health of the body. It's the attitude. It's an amount of exercise. It's exposure to sun. It's the gut health and bowel movements." And bowels are my business. I mean, and they're your business too. I mean, it's so important to have a healthy cleansing system. And so unfortunately Louis Pasteur's theory won out and it became the foundation, one of the foundational pillars of modern medicine.
So people are afraid of germs and they don't understand fully the importance of the terrain and gut health and all the things we can do to make our bodies less susceptible to pathogenic invading organisms. Every bite of food, every meal is 200, 300,000 pathogens in terms of bacteria and viruses. And they have to live in our body in a symbiotic way. And as long as we have... We don't eat too much sugar and we are eating natural foods and taking in what mother nature designed us to eat and thrive on, when we do that, we have this balanced gut flora. We have harmony in there. But if we don't, we get these organisms that have a chance to overgrow. And then once our gut gets destroyed or weakened, our immune system, as I said, is headquartered in our gut. So now we have a weakened immune system, and now we're more susceptible to illnesses.
I so wish Antoine Béchamp had won the day. We'd be in a very different place right now, but I think it's time for people to stop this... I saw a quote the other day, life begins when fear ends. And it's like, we can't be fearful because the government and whoever the powers would be that are orchestrating a lot of this, they want us to stay in a state of fear so we'll listen to everything the so-called experts say. But we are, as you started off saying, we're sovereign beings. We can do our own research. We can do our own due diligence. And it is our responsibility as parents to really get out of this fear mongering, fear porn, and sit down with our kids and explain about health and mother nature and all the good things that they can do to keep their body strong. So they're not walking around fear. I don't wear a mask and I see kids ducking sometimes when I walk by like I'm the bearer of some sort of horrific disease that they're going to get
Or they stay away from you because they think something's wrong with them. And the thing is we are not, we are not to be feared. They want us to be divided. They want us to be fighting amongst ourselves. They want us to be distracted and disturbed. And it is definitely what Dr. Malone called Mass, what was it?
Mass Formation Psychosis.
Mass Formation Psychosis. So I would not Google that. In fact, I would not Google anything you're hearing on today's episode because you're going to get a curated answer just to be honest. They want us to be divided. They want... I don't know. There's a lot of things that I don't even understand what they want because it doesn't vibe with the way I try to live my life as a sovereign person. I also want to add that when babies are born, we have a really big spike in C-section birth, cesarean birth prevents the baby from going through the birth canal, like not, emergency oriented. I'm saying like elective C-section or something that a doctor's intervention has caused a C-section. They don't get the beneficial bacteria rush that they get when they go through the birth canal when they're born through C-section. So from the very, very beginning, we need to provide that really good, positive, bacterial and viral environment for these children to thrive.
That basically starts to form their immune system as they go through the birth canal. And everybody listening knows that I'm very much into natural birth. I've done it with all five of mine and done two free births. So I think that the way we start off our babies matters. And I think that I've done delayed vaccination with all five of mine. And once I saw 1986: The Act, I changed my mind because luckily thank God, none of them have been damaged. Although my oldest has Asperger's and it's questionable as to whether those made it worse. I think they probably did. We will be doing a heavy metal detox for all of them, including myself and just making different decisions now that I have more information. It's like, I think Maya Angelou said this, when you know better, you do better.
Well, there are five organizations in the world that were named Spreaders of Misinformation, which I think that qualifies them as being experts on that very topic. And Children's Health Defense, you can go to their website, chd.org, National Vaccine Information Center, which was started by Barbara Loe Fisher after her son became very ill, after the DPT shot, she wrote a book called A Shot in the Dark, and then she founded National Vaccine Information Center. Great information in there in terms of what's been shown to be detrimental with the vaccines, any safety studies, minimal that have been done, or you'll have access to that there. And then Millions Against Medical Mandates. We try to reach what we call the movable middle. So obviously I may appear extreme and I probably am to many people, but there are a lot of people who are wavering, who thought a certain way at one point, and now they're scratching their heads saying, "I'm not so sure all this makes sense anymore."
So a lot of the material we have on the Millions Against Medical Mandates website are for people who are just beginning to question what is so detrimental about masking ourselves and our children? What is the problem with the COVID injection and what are these early treatments that are so effective? And the list goes on and on. The other two websites were Del Bigtree. If you haven't watched The HighWire, just go to thehighwire.com. Del has done a Herculean effort to educate all of us about what's going on politically and legislatively and medically, and even psychologically and emotionally for our children. That's a big part of what he talks about. And the last one is Dr. Mercola, Dr. Mercola has the most popular health oriented website in the world. He's experienced extreme as we all have, incredibly extreme censorship.
So we can't put anything up on social media anymore. MAMM can't or if you try to share something, it'll be blocked immediately. So you do have to go to the website to get the information you need. But I agree, I think that's a big part of what we do. We want to educate and inspire people. We want to equip them with the tools they need to be able to articulate what's going on and then to feel empowered so they can go on and share this information with others. Because really it's going to be up to us, no special expert or agency or health agency that we've entrusted our children and our health too is going to save us. I really think it comes from our own self-education, self-awareness and then connecting with like-minded people. Like tuning into podcasts like this and finding people like Andrea and I just met a few months ago and it's so wonderful to connect with people who have the same values and are on this search for a deeper understanding of what's really going on.
Right. Absolutely. Well, thank you for all those resources. We forgot one thing. How this affects the female. Since we have childbearing year women, my audience is mostly childbearing year women, right? Can you briefly just mentioned before we wrap up about those studies that you've been a part of.
Okay. Well let me just say that the MAMM's director of strategy, Tiffany Holm was involved early on when the injections first started being administered and there were 22,000 women on a Facebook group that were reporting menstrual irregularities, still birth, miscarriages, heavy, heavy cloting and even something called decidual cast shedding, where the entire lining of your uterus comes out in one glob. It's not fun to talk about. It's not fun to experience. It's rare. Very, very rare. Well from that Facebook page, that group was completely wiped out. Facebook took it off and women had no place to really, really share with others what was going on. So we, Millions Against Medical Mandates, created a survey and a very robust survey asking very detailed questions. We worked with some medical doctors and PhDs on the survey and we had over 7,000 people fill out this survey and we are seeing... We're analyzing it now.
It will be published. Dr. McCullough is one of the people that is joining us in the publication of this data. And it's really startling how many people have, some of them from receiving the injection and some just being exposed to someone who received the injection. But the infertility rates are up. We know the spike protein has an affinity to the ovaries. So Pfizer tells us that on page 64 of their documents, that in terms of their trials, that it definitely has an affinity there. So it's affecting our fertility. And then there's all these menstrual regularities, which of course that's impacting fertility. And this decidual cast shedding is just obviously you can't embed a placenta in the part of the uterus that gets completely shed.
So there's some major issues. I just saw recently a couple articles came out saying it's very mild impact on the menstrual cycle and that we shouldn't be concerned. Based on the data that we have and the analysis we're doing, and soon the publication will be out, that is completely erroneous and women really need to... Been around so many decades that I have seen women's issues be dismissed by our society and our culture. And I don't think any of us should stand for it. So we're demanding the truth and we're going to be publishing what the truth is. And I think women need to be aware and concerned about the fertility component of these injections.
Yeah. And they're also minimizing myocarditis saying that that's very mild. Like how is that mild? Dr. Malone's interview with Joe Rogan, he goes in depth about how the mRNA does not stay localized, where they thought it would.
And it goes directly to the ovaries in women, girls. So if you guys, I have two girls, we have already educated them about this, just so that they know in their lifetime, that if they are confronted with this type of technology to stay away from it, to protect their ability to have children. Also miscarriages, I remember a lot of reports of miscarriages happening, spontaneous miscarriages, even late term because of having had the vaccine. Now, remember, you guys there are no long term studies on any of this stuff. It's all experimental, it's all been rushed. And basically the fact that the FDA asked Pfizer to submit an application for authorization for the 6 month to 5 year olds is pretty wild. Because in December, 2021, Pfizer announced the two dose series wasn't successful and did not provide immunity in two to five year olds. And they began trials for the three dose series. So it's premature for the FDA to be asking Pfizer, but also why is our government asking Pfizer to submit an application?
That's backwards to me.
Yes. And antibody production is not the equivalent of protection. Just because it triggers antibodies does not mean it's protecting you. And that's what people have to understand too. Like you said, earlier, many people in ICU right now are the vaccinated and people have to understand that people who receive this vaccine, it's right in the literature, when you can get ahold of the literature, that it does not prevent transmission.
So if you are a person who received this vaccine, you can still transmit the illness. You can still get the illness and you can actually get very sick from the illness.
You can get more sick from it after having the vaccine.
They've proven that as well. Yes.
But what they're trying to do again is you mentioned earlier to divide us like the unvaccinated are the dirty people of society and the people who don't care about the greater good versus the vaccinated who are doing things in the right way. And I think people again, have to connect the dots and look at what's really going on is that they're not telling people the whole truth. They're not putting on mainstream media that the vaccinated can spread this illness at just as easily as anybody else, if not more so.
Right. They're withholding the truth or withholding the treatments that actually work. There is a whole nother way to go about this, but it doesn't include a giant bottom line. And all people listening to this podcast know that if we potty train our kids a year earlier, on average, the diaper companies lose billions of dollars. What would the pharmaceutical company lose if we were to disallow them to make these decisions? If we were to remove them from our parenting and make our own decisions based on actual, real scientific data, how much money would the pharmaceutical companies lose? That's something to think about. So the fact that, so standforhealthfreedom.com is where I filled out the submission to the FDA.
They want to vote on authorization for the vaccine on our youngest, most vulnerable children already, knowing it's not effective and without safety data. Already knowing that the CDC says 99.99815% of children who contract COVID survive. Children aren't the spreaders. They aren't long term safety studies. Thirty-six thousand, one hundred sixty seven (36,167) adverse reactions reported in children under 18 as of February 4th, 2022. That's in the VAERS system. So with all of this information, I think it's our right to question to gather information. And me personally, I will not judge you if you decide to for or against any of this stuff. I strongly believe that it is each person's decision to make about their own body and the bodies of their children. So I just want to kind of end with that, that even with potty training, I don't care if you do EC or not.
You've been informed about the possibilities across the age of your babies. You then get to decide based on your own opinion, lifestyle, et cetera, what you want to do with your child. And I will support that. I will not engage in the division. I will not have that. And if you want to send me something positive from this podcast, go ahead and email to me. If you want to send me something negative, think twice, because that's what they want you to do. And if we participate in that, then we're just going to be more and more divided. And right now we really need each other. So I just want to leave with that sentiment of, I have no judgment, do your due diligence. Don't look, I mean, look further than mainstream media, look further than NPR and Google. You're going to need to look at what they...
And your pediatrician.
And your pediatrician. Yes, because there's a lot of money stuff going on there too. So look beyond all of that. What they call far right. I've been accused of being far right. I'm nothing more than right down the middle as far as I'm concerned. But I'm all about freedom and wanting to maintain that for my children and raise them in a world where they can be their sovereign biggest, best self and leaders and healthy. So if that makes me far right, so be it. But look at other sources of information like Epoch Times, Epoch. That's one that I go to a lot. And for comic relief, I go to JP Sears because he makes fun of all of this stuff. But you actually get really good news from him as well. Maureen, if you do you have any final comments?
Yes. I really appreciate being a guest in your podcast. And I'm officially inviting you to be a guest on my podcast, which is called Fiercely Pursuing the Truth. And I've had Dr. Michelle Perro and Dr. Larry Palevsky, which again is on the MAMM website, they're holistic pediatricians, who really, we talk in depth about this subject. So if people want to know more, they can go to the podcast on the MAMM website. But no, I'm totally in alignment with what you're saying, that just, I would encourage parents not to abdicate responsibility to any so-called expert because we're in strange times. And we're being fed strange information and we have to trust our guts and we have to do our own research. Our kids will lead the way in terms of what they need if we really tune in. And mother nature is there to guide us. So, yeah, I'm very happy to be with you today and yeah, I look forward to having you on my podcast.
Oh, I can't wait. I cannot wait. That'll be wonderful. Thank you so much, Maureen, for joining us today. It's been a pleasure.
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About Andrea Olson
I'm Andrea and I spend most of my time with my 6 children (all under 10 yo) and the rest of my time teaching other new parents how to do Elimination Communication with their 0-18 month babies. I love what I do and try to make a difference in one baby or parent's life every single day. (And I love, love, love, mango gelato.)
I admire your work around EC and I have super bought into that. I have gotten so accustomed to truly research based resources like Evidence Based Birth (evidencebasedbirth.com) so I expected a truly informed, study referencing, data based, perhaps two sided interview with opposing viewpoints and factual data presented here, but it’s actually full of references to sources that are not research based (and are instead anecdotal, fear based, conspiratorial). Mercola and Facebook are not valid scientific sources. I’m concerned that this podcast episode is spiraling toward fear mongering, while claiming that some amorphous “they” are trying to stir fear and division. I have had level headed, informed conversations on both sides of the Covid vaccine subject but have only seen fear and division being stirred up in the anti-vax crowd.
As much as I’m opposed to using anecdotes as evidence, I’d like to share that I struggled with infertility for almost two years but conceived the day after my second Pfizer shot. I appreciate that you’re trying to be wholistic about health, and I agree that big businesses will try to take advantage where they can, but I call baloney on so many of the things declared as truth here. There are well documented consequences (like death and serious complications) in pregnant people and infants catching Covid. Infertility is more often caused by Covid than by the vaccine (the current hypothesis is that it is temporary and caused by fever).
To anyone else that listens to this episode, I think it’s important to keep in mind that it is NOT a balanced take on the topic. It is a very one-sided view with a heavy dose of skepticism around vaccines that references many non-scientific sources.
Very valid post you did, Layla! I recently listened to her interview with Dr. Sears and I too felt it was very one sided and full of references towards people that stir up division and conspiracy theories such as Rogan, Robert Kennedy, etc. It is not a balanced topic whatsoever and it is saddening she would turn this blog into this with her recent podcasts. Bring on these topics Andrea however with opposing sides to bring to light different points of view so people can then really open their eyes more to what’s best for them. I regret buying the book and investing in the underwear etc. to someone who supports this nonsense of conspiracies.
Thank you for tuning in, I appreciate your thoughts. As I aim to bring balanced information, I also always encourage you to do your own research and make the best decision for your family.
I encourage you to listen to a newer podcast I did with Dr. Sears, a renowned author and pediatrician, there you will find balanced information based on what he has seen in his own office. As always, I do my best to bring forth well balanced information, however I still encourage you to do your own research and ultimately to make the choices best suited for your family.
Andrea, I want to thank you for being brave enough to make this post and make me feel less alone. I know of too many people who died or fell ill shortly after getting a C19 shot (some of them under 18y.o., some young mothers), but I usually just stay quiet and pray for their families.
To Layla, if you think VAERS and Dr. McCullough are unscientific sources, I’m not sure what is. I am however DEEPLY grateful you were able to conceive post-shot. It gives me hope for my inoculated friends who are trying to conceive. I’m also grateful you haven’t felt coerced by mainstream media, an employer and the gov’t. I guess Andrea’s interview here is for those of us who have felt they were being pressured to do something they weren’t sure about.
Thank you so much for tuning in! My aim is to bring forth balanced information. I know this topic is a controversial one, but there are many of us that have felt pressured to make choices by family, friends, doctors, and government that do not align well with us.
Thank you sooo much for having the courage to use your platform to discuss this incredibly important topic!!
Thank you for tuning in! I am always happy to help bring forth well balanced information.
Thank you so much for this episode. We experience the same over here in Europe. Thank God, more and more doctors and scientists are finally questioning what is happening here.
My aim is to bring forth well balanced information. I’m glad that more doctors and scientists are starting to question things!
Thank you for being brave enough to have this conversation & for sharing it! I will be sure to share as well.
Thank you so much for sharing!
August 2021, I had a horrible gut feeling that something was seriously wrong. I downloaded 14,000 VAERs death reports (I made it through about 300, but was too depressed after the report of a teenager dying on a Zoom call, which was reported by his mother), and started to do deep research from all view points and articles with my Biology degree background and medical experience, no ego involved, I just wanted truth. Basically everything Maureen has said goes with the research and unpopular, humble conclusion I came to. The truth is that Pfizer has paid over 4 billion for fraud, false claims and bribery since their biggest payout in 2009. This isn’t hidden; it is public knowledge on justice.gov. The truth is that they are not liable and are not paying for autopsies, even of children who have died from their product. The truth is that in pages 47-49 of the clinical trials, a pregnant woman was not supposed to be in the presence of someone who has had the inoculation. The truth is in trials, a woman could not try to conceive for 28 days due to risk of birth defects. The truth is that my body was used and abused by a medical system I at least trusted enough to take the jab feb 2021 thinking I was helping others and allaying the fears of the elderly around me….The truth is, I have had stabbing pains in my heart throughout the year, maybe 5x, 2 scary heart episodes and felt that my immune system went down (I have some history of heart issues, though I have run several half marathons and eat healthy, I did conceive 4 months after the jab, so some issues are due to this 2nd pregnancy, but I know my body)….The truth is that I probably had Covid January 2020 while living in Hawaii, as my husband has had over 150 negative tests at his work in 2 years, with regular risk of exposure to patients, The truth is I have felt shamed and isolated as a vector of disease, when all along I likely couldn’t even get or spread it. On a further note, the truth is that I would never have given my daughter a second mmr in 2019 before traveling if I had known she would later have two neurological episodes. The truth is, if she wasn’t breastfed almost 4 years now, she might have had enough brain inflammation to induce autism. I have no idea, and neither does public health. If you want to know what’s in the MMR, rent the textbook Vaccines and Autoimmunity by Yehuda Schoenfeld, et Alia from your local library. Mind blowing, The truth is, we don’t know longterm risks. The truth is, I wasn’t given informed consent. The truth exists, apart from what we want it to be. Thank you, Maureen for seeking the truth, and sharing what you have found and allowing us to form our own opinions and beliefs from the evidence you are presenting. Censorship implies something you do not want revealed, while open dialogue brings truth. Your conclusions may not be popular, but I am not in this game of life for popularity or praise. I want truth, and I pray for justice. Godspeed.
Hi Kari! Thank you for sharing your story. It is important that we all do our due diligence and find the facts just as you have. I’m so happy to not be in this alone. Thank You!
Thank you so much Andrea for this powerful conversation with Maureen McDonnell! I love the amazing work that Maureen is doing at mamm.org and with the 5 Docs. Amazing resource to find out the truth about this “vaccine” and what is really happening. Thank you for spreading the truth!
Thank you so much for tuning in! I do my best to bring forth balanced information to all my readers and listeners!
Thank you Andrea, your work is always amazing and I’m thankful you are sharing this controversial topic. It is so important for people to realize this is all a political agenda and never once in the past has the government cared about anyone’s well being so why do they think that’s changed. This is very informative even for someone like myself that wasn’t surprised by anything that was said. YES it seems one sided but that’s because there is no benefit so there really isn’t any other side to portray of course other then the money as mentioned! I am in Canada for reference, I am not able to take my child swimming without choosing to share medical information and participate in an experimental injection.
Hi! I am always happy to share the balanced information I have found. And, Wow I’m so sorry to hear that you can’t enjoy a fun pastime with your family without having to make that decision.
Andrea you are doing Gods work!! I am so grateful for people like you who are brave enough to talk about stuff like this. This was SO informative and helpful. Thank you!!!
Thank you Judy for tuning in!